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<blockquote data-quote="pennysavior2002" data-source="post: 3272527" data-attributes="member: 104453">That is annoying, but I find it equally irksome when pro-choicer&#039;s say &quot;Why do I have to give my body over to a parasite?&quot; when referring to a pregnancyIt is not a simple B&amp;W issue as many have said, but most fail to argue from a logical perspective either way and it ends up being an emotion fuelled slanging match, which helps no-one and still doesn&#039;t resolve the issueWhen is it a &quot;life&quot;? that could be debated forever - on the one hand there are the extreme views of it being a fertilized egg (and some even further claiming that spilling of &quot;seed&quot; is tantamount to the same thing) and on the other you have absolute refuse like Kermit Gosnell.The issues are inextricably intertwined with equal rights and parental rights - is it right to give the father a say in the procedure? Should it just be within a counselling framework if so? If you deny the father the right to have a say (eother pro or again) should the mother have any claim subsequent on finacial aid if she says she wants to keep it and he says he doesn&#039;t? It&#039;s a mine field of logic and emotional discourse and I have heard very little from either side to convince me absolutley of their position.For me as a (relatively) progressive 21st century dude I am significantly more towards the pro-choice camp, but my mind is opne to be changed in light of any suitably convincing argument - something that certain cannot be said for either Pro-Life OR Pro Choice</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pennysavior2002, post: 3272527, member: 104453"] That is annoying, but I find it equally irksome when pro-choicer's say "Why do I have to give my body over to a parasite?" when referring to a pregnancy It is not a simple B&W issue as many have said, but most fail to argue from a logical perspective either way and it ends up being an emotion fuelled slanging match, which helps no-one and still doesn't resolve the issue When is it a "life"? that could be debated forever - on the one hand there are the extreme views of it being a fertilized egg (and some even further claiming that spilling of "seed" is tantamount to the same thing) and on the other you have absolute refuse like Kermit Gosnell. The issues are inextricably intertwined with equal rights and parental rights - is it right to give the father a say in the procedure? Should it just be within a counselling framework if so? If you deny the father the right to have a say (eother pro or again) should the mother have any claim subsequent on finacial aid if she says she wants to keep it and he says he doesn't? It's a mine field of logic and emotional discourse and I have heard very little from either side to convince me absolutley of their position. For me as a (relatively) progressive 21st century dude I am significantly more towards the pro-choice camp, but my mind is opne to be changed in light of any suitably convincing argument - something that certain cannot be said for either Pro-Life OR Pro Choice [/QUOTE]

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