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<blockquote data-quote="Gramma" data-source="post: 3272947" data-attributes="member: 131602">I disagree that its purely philosophical. You can&#039;t kill something that isn&#039;t alive and the discussion on whether a foetus is alive or not is a legit one. I&#039;m trying to remember all the bits to that MRS GREN thing they teach in schools to show how plants and animals are both living things. I&#039;m not sure a foetus even matches up to that very basic yardstick.That said, I&#039;m fine with saying its killing humans if it puts everyone on the same page to carry on the debate without getting hung up on terminology semantics. Not that it matters because even with that I differ with others on whether that&#039;s inherently a bad thing or not.edit: The answer was no I think. Not that it matters because using that definition I&#039;m not sure anything counts as living until puberty seeing as reproduction is up there. This is one of those sucky subjects that no one will ever agree on.Which is something else I don&#039;t get. I know a couple people on MAP who I have on facebook who are part of very aggressive pro choice groups. Basically don&#039;t do anything, just popst extreme examples of pro lifers comments then have a circle jerk ripping into them, but I don&#039;t get why the pro choice &quot;movement&quot; as it were is such a big thing. Abortion&#039;s legal. They&#039;ve won. Unless there starts becoming a serious challenge to it (so in the States I understand the need for a vocal pro choice group) I don&#039;t quite get why people are spending their free time getting in a tizzy over pro lifers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gramma, post: 3272947, member: 131602"] I disagree that its purely philosophical. You can't kill something that isn't alive and the discussion on whether a foetus is alive or not is a legit one. I'm trying to remember all the bits to that MRS GREN thing they teach in schools to show how plants and animals are both living things. I'm not sure a foetus even matches up to that very basic yardstick. That said, I'm fine with saying its killing humans if it puts everyone on the same page to carry on the debate without getting hung up on terminology semantics. Not that it matters because even with that I differ with others on whether that's inherently a bad thing or not. edit: The answer was no I think. Not that it matters because using that definition I'm not sure anything counts as living until puberty seeing as reproduction is up there. This is one of those sucky subjects that no one will ever agree on. Which is something else I don't get. I know a couple people on MAP who I have on facebook who are part of very aggressive pro choice groups. Basically don't do anything, just popst extreme examples of pro lifers comments then have a circle jerk ripping into them, but I don't get why the pro choice "movement" as it were is such a big thing. Abortion's legal. They've won. Unless there starts becoming a serious challenge to it (so in the States I understand the need for a vocal pro choice group) I don't quite get why people are spending their free time getting in a tizzy over pro lifers. [/QUOTE]

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