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<blockquote data-quote="Judah" data-source="post: 2597336" data-attributes="member: 292274">&quot;Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?&quot;&nbsp; Epicurus [341–270 B.C.]Of course not. No one can rant at me, without my permission. If their god did exist, they wouldn&#039;t be committed to the faith he&#039;s there. It would be an irrefutable fact god exists. Because faith precludes fact. Christians having to rant at someone to get them to believe as they do, is simply proof of their own insecurity. They&#039;re afraid to live in a world wherein people don&#039;t believe as they do. They can&#039;t even find peace in holding faith in &quot;one&quot;god and &quot;one&quot; Christ, amongst themselves, as is testified to by sectarianism. No, I don&#039;t listen to a Christian rant at me about what I should believe. I shut them down with a quickness, if they try. &quot;If your god did exist as a supreme being, that would mean he&#039;s superior in consciousness to the lesser consciousness that is human and as such, if that god was omni-benevolent (infinitely kind) it would then be incumbent upon that omniscient (all knowing), omnipresent (everywhere always), omnipotent (all powerful) being to believe in me.&quot; And then I smile indulgently and walk away. See, if there was a god no religion could contain him, and he wouldn&#039;t need to be worshiped by faithful who attest to his being the only god in existence, because as such he&#039;d know that, being omniscient. Humans create god in their image and likeness. You can tell that when they try to sell him door to door, as if there&#039;s this good news that god exists. When, if he did, we wouldn&#039;t need fellow humans to promise us it&#039;s true if we just take it on faith. We&#039;d know it for a fact because that what exists would leave no doubt. I don&#039;t have faith there are tree&#039;s.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Judah, post: 2597336, member: 292274"] "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" Epicurus [341–270 B.C.] Of course not. No one can rant at me, without my permission. If their god did exist, they wouldn't be committed to the faith he's there. It would be an irrefutable fact god exists. Because faith precludes fact. Christians having to rant at someone to get them to believe as they do, is simply proof of their own insecurity. They're afraid to live in a world wherein people don't believe as they do. They can't even find peace in holding faith in "one"god and "one" Christ, amongst themselves, as is testified to by sectarianism. No, I don't listen to a Christian rant at me about what I should believe. I shut them down with a quickness, if they try. "If your god did exist as a supreme being, that would mean he's superior in consciousness to the lesser consciousness that is human and as such, if that god was omni-benevolent (infinitely kind) it would then be incumbent upon that omniscient (all knowing), omnipresent (everywhere always), omnipotent (all powerful) being to believe in me." And then I smile indulgently and walk away. See, if there was a god no religion could contain him, and he wouldn't need to be worshiped by faithful who attest to his being the only god in existence, because as such he'd know that, being omniscient. Humans create god in their image and likeness. You can tell that when they try to sell him door to door, as if there's this good news that god exists. When, if he did, we wouldn't need fellow humans to promise us it's true if we just take it on faith. We'd know it for a fact because that what exists would leave no doubt. I don't have faith there are tree's. [/QUOTE]

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