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<blockquote data-quote="JimR1" data-source="post: 2670769" data-attributes="member: 312406">You are in luck.&nbsp; There indeed exist real dojo that do not water it down to sport.&nbsp; All karate teaches what you seek.&nbsp; The retraction of the hand to the side or hip (slightly different ryu) are not about &quot;posing&quot;, or &quot;chambering&quot;, what ever that is.&nbsp; This represents a grapple, drawing the opponent in toward you, usually for a strike.&nbsp; Like very advanced dirty boxing.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You may need to search a bit, but a school or at least a teacher is out there for you.&nbsp; Just search him/her out.&nbsp; Ask about bunkai, and oyo.&nbsp; If the instructor doesn&#039;t understand that, keep looking.Best of luck to you.edit:&nbsp; Motobu&#039;s statement does not conflict with my own here.&nbsp; It works slightly different in real applications, as those are fluid and unpredictable.&nbsp; Quickly withdrawing the hand is another matter.&nbsp; In practice it returns to guard position, not the hip.&nbsp; The hand returning to the hip or side represents the grappling of an opponent to unbalance him, and to land a perfect strike,or apply a lock, throw, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JimR1, post: 2670769, member: 312406"] You are in luck. There indeed exist real dojo that do not water it down to sport. All karate teaches what you seek. The retraction of the hand to the side or hip (slightly different ryu) are not about "posing", or "chambering", what ever that is. This represents a grapple, drawing the opponent in toward you, usually for a strike. Like very advanced dirty boxing. You may need to search a bit, but a school or at least a teacher is out there for you. Just search him/her out. Ask about bunkai, and oyo. If the instructor doesn't understand that, keep looking. Best of luck to you. edit: Motobu's statement does not conflict with my own here. It works slightly different in real applications, as those are fluid and unpredictable. Quickly withdrawing the hand is another matter. In practice it returns to guard position, not the hip. The hand returning to the hip or side represents the grappling of an opponent to unbalance him, and to land a perfect strike,or apply a lock, throw, etc. [/QUOTE]

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