Christians- If the universe is too complicated to exist in the absence of cause

no god is not the physical universe he is a spirit

he has always existed he had no beginning and will have no end

the physical universe had a beginning and will have a end
 

Neil

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If ever a person has experiences in the spiritual world they should understand that the spiritual world is far greater than this physical world. The spiritual world is dealing with souls, demons and angels and God and heaven and hell which is far above this physical world. And it is easy to see then that God can exist as all powerful and does not need a creator. The bible says that one day all knees will bow to God and then some here will realize that God is all powerful and is the creator of all this.
 

lori

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Doesn't the universe exist in the absence of cause, and haven't we learned this in physics class? Do you not believe this as an atheist?

As far as God goes and his beginnings that's pretty deep. Most say he has existed forever and this is true in the physics of his being as true as it is that we have existed forever, both forwards and backwards. But a more down to earth answer is God once was as we are now and we may become as God now is if we live up to our potential.

@Salvation - Recall that when Jesus was resurrected and came to His disciples He ate fish with them and said "handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bone as ye see me have." God is not a spirit, He has a very real body.

@Neil - I understand what you are saying but it is false. There's a reason why God has a body and that we chose to receive a body. It's because we are more powerful with a body than simply having our spirits. We have power of the Devil and his angels because we have a body and they do not. While the physical world could not exist without the spiritual do not underestimate the power of the physical.
 
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