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Did Nostradamus predict the world will end in 2012?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mj052506" data-source="post: 1435252" data-attributes="member: 572238"><p>Saw this guy quoting Nostradamus, saying he predicted 9/11 and that the world will end in 2012. well I did a little research on Nostradamus. I dont know, does anyone know anything else about him? I mean if the world really is ending in 3 years, I better get all my ducks in a row LOL. Ok, here's some Nostra info...</p><p></p><p>In the City of God there will be a great thunder,</p><p>Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures,</p><p>the great leader will succumb,</p><p>The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.</p><p></p><p>First off, let's say straight out that this was not written by Nostradamus at all. Yes it superficially resembles his style, but there is no such quatrain and he didn't write it. In fact, some sites that reference this verse state it was written in 1654 which would be an impressive feat for someone who died nearly 100 years before!</p><p></p><p>Before we look at who did write it, let us use it as an exercise in critical thinking. We will break down the key points it raises:</p><p></p><p>City of God. This could match anything you like - Mecca, or a city with a lot of churches (e.g. Rome), or a city with many religions (e.g. Jerusalem), or a city which is unusually impressive. You name it. </p><p>Two brothers torn apart by chaos. Again this could be anything. Allied countries, or political party coalitions, or two ajoining neighborhoods, or royalty where there have been numerous inter marriages. etc. </p><p>The third big war. Give me a break. How many big wars have there been since Nostradamus was alive? Even excluding WW I & II, you should immediately think of Vietnam, the Gulf War, the US Civil War, the Napoleonic wars, the Crimea, the Russian Civil War, the Russia-Japan war, the American War of Independence, the Spanish Civil War. And so on. Tens if not hundreds of thousands died in each these conflicts. Is that not big enough? </p><p>A big city burning.. Tends to happen in wars. Dozens alone in World War II - Dresden, London, Berlin, Stalingrad, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo. </p><p></p><p>Sometimes, though, the hoaxes are tongue-in-cheek:</p><p></p><p>Come the millennium, month 12 </p><p>In the home of greatest power, </p><p>The village idiot will come forth </p><p>To be acclaimed the leader. </p><p>This was supposed, of course, to refer to the election of George W. Bush as President of the United States.</p><p></p><p>Skeptics of Nostradamus state that his reputation as a prophet is largely manufactured by modern-day supporters who shoehorn his words into events that have either already occurred or are so imminent as to be inevitable, a process known as as "retroactive clairvoyance". No Nostradamus quatrain has been interpreted before a specific event occurs, beyond a very general level (e.g., a fire will occur, a war will start).</p><p></p><p>A good demonstration of this flexible predicting is to take lyrics written by modern songwriters (e.g., Bob Dylan) and show that they are equally "prophetic".</p><p></p><p>SO DID HE PREDICT THE WORLD WILL END? DOES ANYONE KNOW?</p><p>link : www.nostradamus.org</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mj052506, post: 1435252, member: 572238"] Saw this guy quoting Nostradamus, saying he predicted 9/11 and that the world will end in 2012. well I did a little research on Nostradamus. I dont know, does anyone know anything else about him? I mean if the world really is ending in 3 years, I better get all my ducks in a row LOL. Ok, here's some Nostra info... In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb, The third big war will begin when the big city is burning. First off, let's say straight out that this was not written by Nostradamus at all. Yes it superficially resembles his style, but there is no such quatrain and he didn't write it. In fact, some sites that reference this verse state it was written in 1654 which would be an impressive feat for someone who died nearly 100 years before! Before we look at who did write it, let us use it as an exercise in critical thinking. We will break down the key points it raises: City of God. This could match anything you like - Mecca, or a city with a lot of churches (e.g. Rome), or a city with many religions (e.g. Jerusalem), or a city which is unusually impressive. You name it. Two brothers torn apart by chaos. Again this could be anything. Allied countries, or political party coalitions, or two ajoining neighborhoods, or royalty where there have been numerous inter marriages. etc. The third big war. Give me a break. How many big wars have there been since Nostradamus was alive? Even excluding WW I & II, you should immediately think of Vietnam, the Gulf War, the US Civil War, the Napoleonic wars, the Crimea, the Russian Civil War, the Russia-Japan war, the American War of Independence, the Spanish Civil War. And so on. Tens if not hundreds of thousands died in each these conflicts. Is that not big enough? A big city burning.. Tends to happen in wars. Dozens alone in World War II - Dresden, London, Berlin, Stalingrad, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo. Sometimes, though, the hoaxes are tongue-in-cheek: Come the millennium, month 12 In the home of greatest power, The village idiot will come forth To be acclaimed the leader. This was supposed, of course, to refer to the election of George W. Bush as President of the United States. Skeptics of Nostradamus state that his reputation as a prophet is largely manufactured by modern-day supporters who shoehorn his words into events that have either already occurred or are so imminent as to be inevitable, a process known as as "retroactive clairvoyance". No Nostradamus quatrain has been interpreted before a specific event occurs, beyond a very general level (e.g., a fire will occur, a war will start). A good demonstration of this flexible predicting is to take lyrics written by modern songwriters (e.g., Bob Dylan) and show that they are equally "prophetic". SO DID HE PREDICT THE WORLD WILL END? DOES ANYONE KNOW? link : www.nostradamus.org [/QUOTE]
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