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<blockquote data-quote="stantonlogan" data-source="post: 1977924" data-attributes="member: 297828">This may seem like a strange question but I&#039;ve been wondering this ever since a friend of mine told me about his &quot;Christian&quot; beliefs. He goes to a local Church of Christ. He has told me that he believes that, besides believing in baptism as necessary for salvation, he believes that you must do &quot;good works&quot; in order to go to heaven or to keep from &quot;losing&quot; your salvation. After hearing that, I started thinking to myself if he is denying what the Holy Spirit can and will do? I mean let&#039;s look at the facts. He believes that it is he who has to work out things in his life to go to heaven, not the Holy Spirit. Yet the Bible refers to our own works as &quot;filthy rags.&quot;&nbsp; I then told him that once you are saved, it is the Holy Spirit that comes into you and does these things for you, yet he seemed to deny these things. So is it true that people from this denomination denies what the Holy Spirit can do in ones life? If there&#039;s any Church of Christ people to answer this question, please explain why you do or do not believe this. Everyone else just give me your comments on this.Good point David, I thought they may have been a cult and of course i do not believe in baptism to go to heaven, only as a sign and act of obedience after you get saved. Good comments so farSimon, where in the Bible does it say you can&#039;t know for sure if you&#039;re going to heaven or not. What&#039;s that verse in 1 John, can&#039;t remember which, but John writes &quot;These things i write to you so that you MAY KNOW that you have eternal life.&quot; If you could lose it, then you don&#039;t know if you will still have it once you are saved unless you rely on your OWN works, not the Holy Spirit. What many religions and denomination do not teach is that once you are saved, you are guided by the Holy Spirit, not yourself. Since the Holy Spirit is God&nbsp; and cannot do wrong, He will never lead you astray. Yes you&#039;re still going to sin, yes you&#039;re going to fall into temptation at times, but if you&#039;re truly saved, the Holy Spirit is there to help steer you away from those things. Therefore, you will not want to continue to consistantly sin in the first place. That is the power of the Holy Spirit and not of man.Wacky, that was kinda of a wacky comment about 2 kinds of christians. Sounds like your saying christian can be believers or non-believers??? And it also sounds like you&#039;re saying the Holy Spirit isn&#039;t Holy after all???Excellent comment JC. That is what so many of these people do not get. They believe that since we believe in OSAS that we can just sin and do whatever we want when we want, but that is not true. We have indeed made a commitment to him. A person who claims to be Christian yet continues in the life of sin without any feeling of guilt and remorse probably isn&#039;t saved to begin with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="stantonlogan, post: 1977924, member: 297828"] This may seem like a strange question but I've been wondering this ever since a friend of mine told me about his "Christian" beliefs. He goes to a local Church of Christ. He has told me that he believes that, besides believing in baptism as necessary for salvation, he believes that you must do "good works" in order to go to heaven or to keep from "losing" your salvation. After hearing that, I started thinking to myself if he is denying what the Holy Spirit can and will do? I mean let's look at the facts. He believes that it is he who has to work out things in his life to go to heaven, not the Holy Spirit. Yet the Bible refers to our own works as "filthy rags." I then told him that once you are saved, it is the Holy Spirit that comes into you and does these things for you, yet he seemed to deny these things. So is it true that people from this denomination denies what the Holy Spirit can do in ones life? If there's any Church of Christ people to answer this question, please explain why you do or do not believe this. Everyone else just give me your comments on this. Good point David, I thought they may have been a cult and of course i do not believe in baptism to go to heaven, only as a sign and act of obedience after you get saved. Good comments so far Simon, where in the Bible does it say you can't know for sure if you're going to heaven or not. What's that verse in 1 John, can't remember which, but John writes "These things i write to you so that you MAY KNOW that you have eternal life." If you could lose it, then you don't know if you will still have it once you are saved unless you rely on your OWN works, not the Holy Spirit. What many religions and denomination do not teach is that once you are saved, you are guided by the Holy Spirit, not yourself. Since the Holy Spirit is God and cannot do wrong, He will never lead you astray. Yes you're still going to sin, yes you're going to fall into temptation at times, but if you're truly saved, the Holy Spirit is there to help steer you away from those things. Therefore, you will not want to continue to consistantly sin in the first place. That is the power of the Holy Spirit and not of man. Wacky, that was kinda of a wacky comment about 2 kinds of christians. Sounds like your saying christian can be believers or non-believers??? And it also sounds like you're saying the Holy Spirit isn't Holy after all??? Excellent comment JC. That is what so many of these people do not get. They believe that since we believe in OSAS that we can just sin and do whatever we want when we want, but that is not true. We have indeed made a commitment to him. A person who claims to be Christian yet continues in the life of sin without any feeling of guilt and remorse probably isn't saved to begin with. [/QUOTE]

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