Do you think the Britian 'Surveillance State' is positive or negative in our society?

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Omstarts

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Our very own peers are now saying that is has become too much:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7872425.stm

What I am asking is - do we moan about CCTV/Data collection culture because we can? Are we really concerned about being monitored?

Sometime ago I asked if people were bothered about police having the ability to 'hack' into your computer remotely, if you were suspected of illicit activity. Surprisingly, the overall consensus was 'no' - quite rightly, people argued if you do nothing wrong, there is nothing to fear...

Is that not then an applicable argument to the CCTV culture of modern Britain? People moan their rights have been invaded - how?

Maybe you reckon that the evolution into a 'name and number' state is unacceptable in itself.

Either way, what do you think?
 
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fritya56

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Negative, there is blackmail and manipulation and a puerile sense of humour from the watchers ridiculing someones habits pastimes or affairs ( romantic ones included ) sad sorry nosey parkers with a ready made excuse of if you have nothing to fear if you do nothing wrong . She spends this he spends that , he goes here she goes there , it is not a job for nosey parkers or people who think they have had an exciting life in the " military " we could abandon the cctv and have them standing on the street gossiping . Happened to me and attempted blackmail and manipulation . Conversations too therefore - listening in too , so sad .
 
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RapidRPM

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I think CCTV is fine, if I am walking alone at night or in a rough area I would feel safer knowing that criminals will be deterred by CCTV cameras. DNA databasing is more conditional, it should only be used by the police and so long as nobody else has access to the information so it cannot be used by third parties like insurance companies or employers.

I don't like the idea of the police being able to see what websites I'm going on, the email and letters I get and send, my text messages and my phonecalls. I think this is an extreme invasion of members of the public privacy and should not be allowed.

I don't think collecting this information is really going to be much help in solving crime. They will be overloaded with data and most of it won't contain any evidence of criminal activity.
 
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orderfromchaos

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It is negative. We do not need to be watched and filmed all of the time, although we will told we do. The crimes on TV will all be ones were CCTV was actively used, making us believe in our need for them.

To accept being hacked today, is to accept much more in the future.

Our rights our being invaded in a very subtle way, a way we barely notice. I agree with CCTV in shops and city centre though. But i do not believe in looking through peoples computers and phones. Never mind if your doing nothing wrong, how about innocent until proven. That like saying can we strip search you? If your have nothing to hide then you wont mind. No actually I do.
 
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rose1

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Sorry but I am one of those innocent people who thinks that there is far too much Big Brother stuff going on, and do not agree with the thought "well if I have nothing to hide, I don't mind them looking into my computer, or watching me on every street corner"........sorry but I do! It is an infringement on my privacy, why should all of us innocent people be watched and suffer because of the criminals and yobs that have more rights these days than any decent hard working citizen.
They should be out tracking down and enforcing the law on those that are breaking it, not tarring everyone with the same brush...........
As for name and number state as you have put it............yes totally unacceptable to me.........it's all about controlling the masses, control means power and power means money for the people that run the country. NWO.
This rumour for the future about maybe at some point people will have a microchip inserted into their body, or some kind of tag ..................if that happens then it will be all over for freedom, privacy and independence for anyone in the UK or the rest of the world for that matter.

Probably not what you wanted to hear, but you did ask!

Orderfront is right, it is the disinformation, making you believe it will be better for you when in fact it is the complete opposite. Lead the lambs to the slaughter......
 
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AndrewS

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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
 
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