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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheOtherDebate" data-source="post: 2101741" data-attributes="member: 750599">According to the Bible, it is said that he has always existed. If you can posit that a form of ultimate power exists that is powerful enough to not have been created, then you would have solved this riddle.The argument between creationists and atheist is a pointless one. One argues from their reasoning of faith and the world and atheists argue from the view point of the 5 senses. These two view points have nothing to do with what is "true" to each person. The truth is something that must be determined either way.</blockquote>