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<blockquote data-quote="victor_smg" data-source="post: 2873138" data-attributes="member: 111165">Examples:1) &quot;Start with a single light-sensitive cell, and within half a million years (which is peanuts on the geologic scale), you&#039;ll have a fully functioning eye.&quot;Ohhh ... so I just wait around, and wait, and wait, and then I&#039;ll have an eye. Hmm. I don&#039;t know anyone who&#039;s 0.5 million years old, do you? This is a statement of faith conceptually the same as a belief that God did it way back in time when none of us were alive to see him do it. 2) &quot;Then, as the organism in question evolves, the &quot;scaffolding&quot; that supported the unnecessary addition atrophies to nothing, so the mutation now becomes essential.&quot; To say &quot;it evolves&quot; does not answer my question. I was looking for the &quot;how&quot; of how it evolved. This statement is conceptually the same as saying &quot;God made it that way in the first place.&quot; 3) &quot;Let&#039;s say that genetic mutation causes 1 out of every 1000 creatures to develop a crude lens.&quot; Again, my question was how the lens came to be. This is conceptually the same as saying, &quot;Poof, God put the lens there whole in the first place.&quot; Thanks for the talks, Coffin, but I don&#039;t think any of us really know it happened. I&#039;ll go off and chase other threads for awhile now.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="victor_smg, post: 2873138, member: 111165"] Examples: 1) "Start with a single light-sensitive cell, and within half a million years (which is peanuts on the geologic scale), you'll have a fully functioning eye." Ohhh ... so I just wait around, and wait, and wait, and then I'll have an eye. Hmm. I don't know anyone who's 0.5 million years old, do you? This is a statement of faith conceptually the same as a belief that God did it way back in time when none of us were alive to see him do it. 2) "Then, as the organism in question evolves, the "scaffolding" that supported the unnecessary addition atrophies to nothing, so the mutation now becomes essential." To say "it evolves" does not answer my question. I was looking for the "how" of how it evolved. This statement is conceptually the same as saying "God made it that way in the first place." 3) "Let's say that genetic mutation causes 1 out of every 1000 creatures to develop a crude lens." Again, my question was how the lens came to be. This is conceptually the same as saying, "Poof, God put the lens there whole in the first place." Thanks for the talks, Coffin, but I don't think any of us really know it happened. I'll go off and chase other threads for awhile now. [/QUOTE]

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