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<blockquote data-quote="nothing_without_you4" data-source="post: 3015006" data-attributes="member: 94520">You&#039;re right. My mistake. In the recent case the guy bought extra clips. Which is what allowed him to kill so many people so quickly.Definately a hole in the system that needs to be closed.Doesn&#039;t Walmart exist to sell stuff at &quot;dicount&quot; prices? Isn&#039;t that why Walmart is so popular? Doesn&#039;t Walmart also sell guns? Why do department stores sell guns anyway? Is that appropriate? Shouldn&#039;t the sale of guns be restricted to specialists? &quot;Hey Mr. Salesman&nbsp; I&#039;ll have a Plasma screen TV a fridge freezer and a fully automatic assault rifle please&nbsp; &quot;.But what good does that do if kids are using their parents guns that their parents legally bought?And that stops kids killing their class mates with daddies gun how exactly?The point I&#039;m making is that Americans see a gun as being no more dangerous than a block of cheese. And treat it as such. So there is clearly a safety culture issue there that needs to be changed to keep weapons out of the reach of children.Now if your gun is locked away could you get to it in time to protect your home? I doubt it. So other than sport, why have one?Let me get this straight. You actually think you&#039;re little pea shooter is going to be a major threat to an American government which apparently coofftopicnds the most well equipped and armed military in the world?When the US lead the invasion of Afghanistan they carpet bombed the place further back to the stone age than it already was. When the US lead the invasion of Iraq with operation Shock and Awe. They targeted single buildings and cars with precision guided missiles to take out individual targets.How exactly does owning a hand gun or a hunting rifle protect you from that sort of weaponry. Are you so naive that you think an American fascist (should one ever be elected) government wouldn&#039;t use those weapons on it&#039;s own people?I think the fire power currently at the disposal of the US government puts the 2nd amendment firmly in it&#039;s place if it&#039;s true purpose is to allow people to fight back against an unjust and tyrannical government.Speaking of which. Why didn&#039;t anybody rise up against George W. Bush after he essentially stole his first term in office?Um ... no we haven&#039;t. CCTV is used in public places not peoples homes.By law every Iraqi has the right to own a gun. And almost every Iraqi has one. So how come a dictator managed to take control and keep control? How come the people of Iraq need foreign invaders to free them from tyranny?Yes and back in history the people were better matched against their governments fire power than people are today.No. Because you&#039;re not.Don&#039;t these two statements contradict one another. Denying responsibility doesn&#039;t remove the blame.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nothing_without_you4, post: 3015006, member: 94520"] You're right. My mistake. In the recent case the guy bought extra clips. Which is what allowed him to kill so many people so quickly. Definately a hole in the system that needs to be closed. Doesn't Walmart exist to sell stuff at "dicount" prices? Isn't that why Walmart is so popular? Doesn't Walmart also sell guns? Why do department stores sell guns anyway? Is that appropriate? Shouldn't the sale of guns be restricted to specialists? "Hey Mr. Salesman I'll have a Plasma screen TV a fridge freezer and a fully automatic assault rifle please ". But what good does that do if kids are using their parents guns that their parents legally bought? And that stops kids killing their class mates with daddies gun how exactly? The point I'm making is that Americans see a gun as being no more dangerous than a block of cheese. And treat it as such. So there is clearly a safety culture issue there that needs to be changed to keep weapons out of the reach of children. Now if your gun is locked away could you get to it in time to protect your home? I doubt it. So other than sport, why have one? Let me get this straight. You actually think you're little pea shooter is going to be a major threat to an American government which apparently coofftopicnds the most well equipped and armed military in the world? When the US lead the invasion of Afghanistan they carpet bombed the place further back to the stone age than it already was. When the US lead the invasion of Iraq with operation Shock and Awe. They targeted single buildings and cars with precision guided missiles to take out individual targets. How exactly does owning a hand gun or a hunting rifle protect you from that sort of weaponry. Are you so naive that you think an American fascist (should one ever be elected) government wouldn't use those weapons on it's own people? I think the fire power currently at the disposal of the US government puts the 2nd amendment firmly in it's place if it's true purpose is to allow people to fight back against an unjust and tyrannical government. Speaking of which. Why didn't anybody rise up against George W. Bush after he essentially stole his first term in office? Um ... no we haven't. CCTV is used in public places not peoples homes. By law every Iraqi has the right to own a gun. And almost every Iraqi has one. So how come a dictator managed to take control and keep control? How come the people of Iraq need foreign invaders to free them from tyranny? Yes and back in history the people were better matched against their governments fire power than people are today. No. Because you're not. Don't these two statements contradict one another. Denying responsibility doesn't remove the blame. [/QUOTE]

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