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<blockquote data-quote="zappacake" data-source="post: 1657177" data-attributes="member: 638890">So, if the universe is an estimated 11 billion years old, then that obviously suggests a beginning, a start point. Where there is a beginning, there&#039;s also an end, by which I mean a physical end point. If the universe has an age and a point of conception, it is therefore a finite, contained body.So, what exists outside the finite body that is the universe? Beyond its boundaries.Nothing?It can&#039;t be nothing. For it truly to be nothing, the universe itself would have to cease to exist. Suggesting that the universe must be infinite. Yet infinity neither has a beginning nor an end.....And I find the concept of eterenity difficult to fully grasp.On a separate yet related note.....I know very little about the big bang other than its most basic concept....but if energy cannot be created or destroyed, and can only change form...then where did the initial matter which created the big bang come from?It can&#039;t have spontaneously appeared....Discuss!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zappacake, post: 1657177, member: 638890"] So, if the universe is an estimated 11 billion years old, then that obviously suggests a beginning, a start point. Where there is a beginning, there's also an end, by which I mean a physical end point. If the universe has an age and a point of conception, it is therefore a finite, contained body. So, what exists outside the finite body that is the universe? Beyond its boundaries. Nothing? It can't be nothing. For it truly to be nothing, the universe itself would have to cease to exist. Suggesting that the universe must be infinite. Yet infinity neither has a beginning nor an end..... And I find the concept of eterenity difficult to fully grasp. On a separate yet related note.....I know very little about the big bang other than its most basic concept....but if energy cannot be created or destroyed, and can only change form...then where did the initial matter which created the big bang come from? It can't have spontaneously appeared.... Discuss! [/QUOTE]

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