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<blockquote data-quote="phoenixshade" data-source="post: 1657179" data-attributes="member: 638892">&quot;Where there is a beginning, there&#039;s also an end.&quot;False. A geometrical figure known as a ray is bounded only on one side.&quot;What exists outside the finite body that is the universe?&quot;When we talk about the expansion of the universe, we are talking about an exapansion of the actual spacial dimensions that make up the universe. The apparent expansion of the three spacial dimensions is actually caused by the expansion of the 4th; just as the apparent expansion of the 2-dimensional surface of a balloon is caused by the balloon&#039;s expansion into the third.Besides, all phenomena ever observed take place within the known universe, and indeed rely upon that universe for their very existence. From that point of view, your question makes no sense... what EVIDENCE do you have that the answer is NOT nothing?&quot;Where did the initial matter which created the big bang come from?&quot;I don&#039;t know. It probably always existed. That answer makes more sense than to claim some supernatural entity &quot;created&quot; it, because in the case of matter, at least we have EVIDENCE for its existence. The same thing can&#039;t be said about any &quot;god.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="phoenixshade, post: 1657179, member: 638892"] "Where there is a beginning, there's also an end." False. A geometrical figure known as a ray is bounded only on one side. "What exists outside the finite body that is the universe?" When we talk about the expansion of the universe, we are talking about an exapansion of the actual spacial dimensions that make up the universe. The apparent expansion of the three spacial dimensions is actually caused by the expansion of the 4th; just as the apparent expansion of the 2-dimensional surface of a balloon is caused by the balloon's expansion into the third. Besides, all phenomena ever observed take place within the known universe, and indeed rely upon that universe for their very existence. From that point of view, your question makes no sense... what EVIDENCE do you have that the answer is NOT nothing? "Where did the initial matter which created the big bang come from?" I don't know. It probably always existed. That answer makes more sense than to claim some supernatural entity "created" it, because in the case of matter, at least we have EVIDENCE for its existence. The same thing can't be said about any "god." [/QUOTE]

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