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<blockquote data-quote="allonyoav" data-source="post: 2321815" data-attributes="member: 646520">Satan was NOT present in the Garden of eden- that is a Christian interpretation of the events that has ntohing to do with Judaism.In Judaism, angels do NOT have free will.&nbsp; this means that an angel is merely a tool used by G-d to produce a specific result.&nbsp; The Hebrew for angel makes this point in that the word &quot;Malach&quot; is also the word for a messenger!&nbsp; In other words- the Torah is pointing out that angels ar entohing more than messengers from G-d carrying out a specific instruction.Now- if angels have no free will, they cannot rebel.&nbsp; The idea of an angel rebelling against G-d is a completely foreign one in Judaism and in fact is a forbidden one as we see the commandment to &quot;have no other gods before G-d&quot; to mean we cannot elevate any supernatural entity to a point where it would be able to disagree or work against G-d!So, who is HaSatan in Judaism?&nbsp; The Hebrew word &quot;satan&quot; also means &quot;accusser&quot;- and we talk about &quot;HaSatan&quot; &quot;the accuser&quot; as this descvribes the function of this specific angel- to bring our sins before G-d so we will be judged.&nbsp; We see this explicitly in Iyov (The book of Job)- Hasatan comes and accuses Iyov of not being righteous and asking G-d to test him.&nbsp; The resulting events are a result of G-d testing Iyov- not any actions of HaSatan beyond accussing Iyov!This view of HaSatan also explains why there is no hell- HaSatan is merely a servant of G-d that accuses us before him- he ha sno power beyond this.&nbsp; Actually, from the Jewish POV stating that staan rules in hell is creating a dualistic belief akin to that in Zoroastianism and Mithraism of a good deity vs an evil adversary- and such a dualistic belief is seen as being forbidden in Judaism</blockquote>

[QUOTE="allonyoav, post: 2321815, member: 646520"] Satan was NOT present in the Garden of eden- that is a Christian interpretation of the events that has ntohing to do with Judaism. In Judaism, angels do NOT have free will. this means that an angel is merely a tool used by G-d to produce a specific result. The Hebrew for angel makes this point in that the word "Malach" is also the word for a messenger! In other words- the Torah is pointing out that angels ar entohing more than messengers from G-d carrying out a specific instruction. Now- if angels have no free will, they cannot rebel. The idea of an angel rebelling against G-d is a completely foreign one in Judaism and in fact is a forbidden one as we see the commandment to "have no other gods before G-d" to mean we cannot elevate any supernatural entity to a point where it would be able to disagree or work against G-d! So, who is HaSatan in Judaism? The Hebrew word "satan" also means "accusser"- and we talk about "HaSatan" "the accuser" as this descvribes the function of this specific angel- to bring our sins before G-d so we will be judged. We see this explicitly in Iyov (The book of Job)- Hasatan comes and accuses Iyov of not being righteous and asking G-d to test him. The resulting events are a result of G-d testing Iyov- not any actions of HaSatan beyond accussing Iyov! This view of HaSatan also explains why there is no hell- HaSatan is merely a servant of G-d that accuses us before him- he ha sno power beyond this. Actually, from the Jewish POV stating that staan rules in hell is creating a dualistic belief akin to that in Zoroastianism and Mithraism of a good deity vs an evil adversary- and such a dualistic belief is seen as being forbidden in Judaism [/QUOTE]

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