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<blockquote data-quote="MarcusMarcus" data-source="post: 2398157" data-attributes="member: 825111">standing- punching,wrist manipulations,headbutts,kicks,scuffles,weapons etc...and a tough one at it,none of this soft judo crap,real life street type.Grappling- wrestling(both standing and on the floor),what martial art or 2 would u recommend for me,ive never done anything ever,someone told me muay thai and bjj,i like the idea of muay thai except it doesnt seem to include joint manipulations,and bjj seems to sports oriented,i dont like the fact ur flat on the ground(on the streets their friend would be stomping on u,plus its dirty)i prefer a tough wrestling style i.e. catch or sambo,but what would u recommend for a complete pre-beginner who wants to learn the most effective,and be the best and toughest he can,without nonsense bowing,uselss dances,unnecessary tai chi or animal movements and useless belts etc... and lastly the two would have to be very compatible,so if for example its muay thai fighting,and i drop to the ground,the best style that would get me into a domination position(winning the fight) ,or would u just recommend a complete martial art i.e. japanese juijitsu,hwa rang do,krav maga and ninjitsu, thank you very much for your help,please it would be very helpful if experienced professionals could give their opinions,thank you.i think u&#039;ll have slightly misunderstood me,i admit i too thought tai chi is vodoo crap,the reason i insult judo is cos noone seems to take it up anymore,people use its throws and ignore the rest i.e. sambo,about animal moves i know it works,but we&#039;re humans we have our own ways,and limitations animals dont,we dont see bruce lee or chuck norris who studied many ways with animal moves,u see those silat masters in malaysia they have respect,are careful without bowing to anyone.i personally prefer ninjitsu stance-neutral,the enemy wont know,but id like to know everything effective,when ull say classic i think japanese juijitsu sounds good,but dont know if theres good classes in london,i know of silat lessons,but is silat that good? i also know of krav maga,but worried its just a hype,what do u&#039;ll think?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MarcusMarcus, post: 2398157, member: 825111"] standing- punching,wrist manipulations,headbutts,kicks,scuffles,weapons etc...and a tough one at it,none of this soft judo crap,real life street type. Grappling- wrestling(both standing and on the floor),what martial art or 2 would u recommend for me,ive never done anything ever,someone told me muay thai and bjj,i like the idea of muay thai except it doesnt seem to include joint manipulations,and bjj seems to sports oriented,i dont like the fact ur flat on the ground(on the streets their friend would be stomping on u,plus its dirty)i prefer a tough wrestling style i.e. catch or sambo,but what would u recommend for a complete pre-beginner who wants to learn the most effective,and be the best and toughest he can,without nonsense bowing,uselss dances,unnecessary tai chi or animal movements and useless belts etc... and lastly the two would have to be very compatible,so if for example its muay thai fighting,and i drop to the ground,the best style that would get me into a domination position(winning the fight) ,or would u just recommend a complete martial art i.e. japanese juijitsu,hwa rang do,krav maga and ninjitsu, thank you very much for your help,please it would be very helpful if experienced professionals could give their opinions,thank you. i think u'll have slightly misunderstood me,i admit i too thought tai chi is vodoo crap,the reason i insult judo is cos noone seems to take it up anymore,people use its throws and ignore the rest i.e. sambo,about animal moves i know it works,but we're humans we have our own ways,and limitations animals dont,we dont see bruce lee or chuck norris who studied many ways with animal moves,u see those silat masters in malaysia they have respect,are careful without bowing to anyone.i personally prefer ninjitsu stance-neutral,the enemy wont know,but id like to know everything effective,when ull say classic i think japanese juijitsu sounds good,but dont know if theres good classes in london,i know of silat lessons,but is silat that good? i also know of krav maga,but worried its just a hype,what do u'll think? [/QUOTE]

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