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Jehovah's Witnesses, if God is only dealing with "anointed" spiritual Israel how...

...can you explain this prophecy? Ezekiel 37:24-28

Here is the scripture out of my KJV bible. Sorry not the NWT anyways.....

24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

How can your annointed be Israelites and your not, and Ezekiel 37:24-28 be true?

This scripture says David or Christ would reign as King over Israelites on the EARTH. Not in heaven. How do I know? The bible itself says, 25 "And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant where your FATHERS have dwelt, and they shall dwell there even they and their children, and their children children forever and my servant David shall be their prince forever."

Remember you say that the only Israel in the eyes of God of any signifgance are the 144,000 who will be in heaven. So again, how can the anointed 144,000 be Israel and no one else is and the above mentions scripture be true?

I've been getting the run around on this scripture from you guys for a LONG time so will some knowledgeable bible student please explain this to me if it is not saying what it sound like it's saying.
Be Real - Your society says this "That part of the prophecy has never been fulfilled on fleshly Israel, nor will it ever be so fulfilled. Therefore the application must be to spiritual Israel."

How do they know that it will not be fulfilled on fleshly Israel? Seriously the entire passage doesn't give the slightest hint of any other group of people other than fleshly Israel. Also to go with what you expressed so beautifully in defending your belief. The scripture does say they will dwell in the "land" however it is specific in saying the "land that I have given unto Jacob where your fathers dwelt" letting you know that it is in fact speaking of the land of Israel. Is this not god's covenant with Jacob?

I appreciate your comment, and I really do mean that. All we can do is wait and see what the Lord is doing. I am confident though that wither I or the JW am right or wrong that it is God's word that will stand in the end as the supreme.

It brings joy to my heart to hear you put what
you said in your own words. This is your heart speaking not your doctrine being repeated.

Shalom
 
How was the restoration of organizational unity among Jehovah’s ancient people illustrated? (Read Ezekiel 37:15-20.) There is a modern parallel for the joining of the two sticks (one marked for the two-tribe kingdom of Judah, the other for ten-tribe Israel). During World War*I, ambitious men tried to break up the unity of God’s servants, but in 1919 faithful anointed ones were unified under Christ, their “one king” and “one shepherd.” Moreover, like the more than 7,500 non-Israelites who returned to Judah, those of the “great crowd” are now united with the anointed remnant. What joy to be in the spiritual paradise, serving Jehovah in unity under our “one king”!—Ezekiel 37:21-28.
Just as these words were fulfilled toward the unified remnant of Israel as they returned from captivity in 537*B.C.E., so the restored remnant of anointed Witnesses of modern times have experienced the joy of being united in their paradisaic land of spiritual prosperity.—See also Ezekiel 36:33-36.
At the same time, God’s people have been cleansed from all spiritual defilement caused by Satan’s world empire of false religion, “Babylon the Great.” (Revelation 17:5; 18:2, 4) Their liberation from false religious doctrines and practices is the modern-day major fulfillment of the prophecy that applied in a miniature way to Israel of old at its restoration from captivity in the literal Babylon:
“And they will no longer defile themselves with their dungy idols and with their disgusting things and with all their transgressions; and I shall certainly save them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and I will cleanse them, and they must become my people, and I myself shall become their God.”—Ezekiel 37:23.
The disgusting idolatry of the religions of Christendom and pagandom has been set aside by Jehovah’s restored people. No longer do they idolize creatures or follow the customs of worldly religion, such as observing God-dishonoring “holidays.” Their worship is not distributed to three gods in one, the so-called godhead of some mysterious Trinity, but they are united as the one people who worship the one God, Jehovah. In unison they praise the Sovereign Lord of the universe, and this binds them together in a unity unknown to any other people on earth! (Isaiah 52:8) Even if a former associate develops a wicked conscience, deviating from the body of truth provided by Jehovah, we stand united with God’s organization in its work and in precious intimacy with our God.—Proverbs 3:32; Hebrews 10:22, 23.
Recognizing the King
When ancient Israel was restored to its “land,” true worship became a unifying force among them. But the kingdom was not restored. Why, then, does Jehovah at Ezekiel chapter*37, verses*22 and 24, speak of a “king” over them? Verses*24 and*25 read:
“And my servant David will be king over them, and one shepherd is what they will all come to have; and in my judicial decisions they will walk, and my statutes they will keep, and they will certainly carry them out. And they will actually dwell upon the land that I gave to my servant, to Jacob, in which your forefathers dwelt, and they will actually dwell upon it, they and their sons and their sons’ sons to time indefinite, and David my servant will be their chieftain to time indefinite.”
That part of the prophecy has never been fulfilled on fleshly Israel, nor will it ever be so fulfilled. Therefore the application must be to spiritual Israel.


In the NWT vs 25 says "And they will actually dwell upon the land that I gave to my servant, to Jacob, in which YOUR forefathers dwelt, and they will actually dwell upon it, they and their sons and their sons’ sons to time indefinite, and David my servant will be their chieftain to time indefinite." similar to you but notice it says "land" or as yours says "earth" not meaning the literal earth god plans to establish once Again into a paradise but this is referring to the soil or land that the people lived on.

God originally chose the nation of Israel as his special people but they disobeyed so god had to choose a diff group and here is where you can read how he chose these ones and why only 144,000 and what hope do his other worshipers have? http://www.watchtower.org/e/20060815/article_02.htm
& http://www.watchtower.org/e/20100201a/article_02.htm

I encourage you to be patient on god and ask for his help in understanding his word the bible and also visit a kingdom hall in your area with any further questions you have about the bible..obviously you have a desire to learn more and want to know the truth and by the way I have nothing against your bible, i enjoy reading all diff types of bible its good for study so you dont have to use NWT but it be a fine addition to your bibles :) Check out also www.watchtower.org
Sincerly tried to help you..hope I did.
Bye :)
 
Christ will rule from heaven with the 144.000
(Revelation 5:10) 10*and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings OVER THE EARTH

(Acts 2:33-36) .*.*.Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which YOU see and hear. 34*Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, 35*until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’ 36*Therefore let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom YOU impaled.”

(2 Timothy 4:18) .*.*.The Lord will deliver me from every wicked work and will save [me] for his heavenly kingdom..*.*.

(Revelation 11:15) .*.*.“The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ.*.*.

(2 Timothy 4:18) .*.*.and will save [me] for his heavenly kingdom..*.*.

(Daniel 2:44) .*.*.the God of heaven will set up a kingdom .*.*.
.*.
Isaiah 35:5, 6; 11:6-9 talks about conditions on the earth under Christ's rule
Ps 37:10,11,22

Jesus taught us to pray:
(Matthew 6:10) .*.*.Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in ......heaven,..... also upon...... earth.*.*.

Hope this is helping you.
Make sure to cross reference scriptures and consider the context.
God is not partial and he does not reject any righteous person.
If you are a jew or a person from the nation (gentile) Christ died for all.
We do have to follow Christ as our model
James 2:26 says .faith without works is dead.
Ofcourse Jehovah is our judge and he can see in our heart if we are genuinly searching for him
Rom 15: 7-13
 
1) The KJV is a bad translation.

2) Somebody has already answered your question about 10 questions ago

3) The only answer you want is that you are right.
 
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