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<blockquote data-quote="curiousvbpb" data-source="post: 3259312" data-attributes="member: 131625">Man arrested for 2x4 labeled &quot;High Powered Rifle&quot;Other people?&nbsp; You make it sound like we&#039;re the worst in the world.&nbsp; We&#039;re worse than western Europe, which is the best in the world.&nbsp; We&#039;ve got plenty of room for improvement but let&#039;s not make this a comparison with &quot;other people&quot; period like we&#039;re the worst in the world.Comparing our crime rates with western Europe&#039;s, I&#039;m guessing the principal issues are higher rates of poverty and substance abuse (particularly substance abuse involving crack and meth, two particularly nasty drugs).&nbsp; We also have significantly higher rates of child abuse and rape than western Europe, which suggests that our high murder rate is related to larger demographic issues, not gun laws specifically.&nbsp; If our homicide rate was because of gun laws or gun ownership, you would expect non-gun crimes like child abuse and rape to be comparable to the UK, but they&#039;re not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="curiousvbpb, post: 3259312, member: 131625"] [b]Man arrested for 2x4 labeled "High Powered Rifle"[/b] Other people? You make it sound like we're the worst in the world. We're worse than western Europe, which is the best in the world. We've got plenty of room for improvement but let's not make this a comparison with "other people" period like we're the worst in the world. Comparing our crime rates with western Europe's, I'm guessing the principal issues are higher rates of poverty and substance abuse (particularly substance abuse involving crack and meth, two particularly nasty drugs). We also have significantly higher rates of child abuse and rape than western Europe, which suggests that our high murder rate is related to larger demographic issues, not gun laws specifically. If our homicide rate was because of gun laws or gun ownership, you would expect non-gun crimes like child abuse and rape to be comparable to the UK, but they're not. [/QUOTE]

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