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<blockquote data-quote="soopeyyyyyyyyyyyyy" data-source="post: 3148169" data-attributes="member: 136594"><p>Hi Bear, thanks for this. Just Googled "British Federation of Historical Swordsmanship" and couldn't find it, but did find the "British Federation of Historical Swordplay". Is this the organisation you referred to, or is it different? I ask because the later of the two does seem to have a lot of research into sword work and quarterstaff in some places as well. Seems like a good source for European weapons arts.</p><p></p><p>I also agree that the Europeans have been killing eachother wiht scientific art for 1,000s of years, and quite effectively as well for all of that. And I quess that the reason why oriental martial arts are deemed "better" than occidental arts is probably down to publicity as you say.</p><p></p><p>However, two things some to mind that I am now wondering about.</p><p></p><p>Do Western Martial arts (and I hate to use the phrase "traditional martial arts", but I am trying to look at those martial arts that predate the idea of the "Marquis of Queensbury" and the sportification, if I may use that phrase, of martial arts in the West) especially unarmed combat, also include the joint locking and pressure point emphasis of the Easter Arts?</p><p></p><p>The second question is, why did Western Martial Arts go out of fashion. There is still fencing, boxing and wrestling, but the practice of say quarterstaff, or halberd, or falchion, or beq de corbine, etc, etc, etc, could really be said to be the research of historic re-enacters rather than "Martial Artists".</p><p></p><p>Can this be attributed to the fact that (as I alluded to earlier) hand guns became more available and more widespread in the West than in the East? I do apprecaite as somebody said ealier that the Chinese invented gunpowder, but it seems that although the Chinese invented it and used it for military purposes quite early on, the application of this gunpowder (and then later explosives) was seriously taken on board by the Europeans, who then seem to have taken great delight in using it to kill each other for at least 600 years, and perfected its use so to do. Did this reliance on gunpowder and other such weapons detract from the oter martial arts and therefore render them less widely practiced?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="soopeyyyyyyyyyyyyy, post: 3148169, member: 136594"] Hi Bear, thanks for this. Just Googled "British Federation of Historical Swordsmanship" and couldn't find it, but did find the "British Federation of Historical Swordplay". Is this the organisation you referred to, or is it different? I ask because the later of the two does seem to have a lot of research into sword work and quarterstaff in some places as well. Seems like a good source for European weapons arts. I also agree that the Europeans have been killing eachother wiht scientific art for 1,000s of years, and quite effectively as well for all of that. And I quess that the reason why oriental martial arts are deemed "better" than occidental arts is probably down to publicity as you say. However, two things some to mind that I am now wondering about. Do Western Martial arts (and I hate to use the phrase "traditional martial arts", but I am trying to look at those martial arts that predate the idea of the "Marquis of Queensbury" and the sportification, if I may use that phrase, of martial arts in the West) especially unarmed combat, also include the joint locking and pressure point emphasis of the Easter Arts? The second question is, why did Western Martial Arts go out of fashion. There is still fencing, boxing and wrestling, but the practice of say quarterstaff, or halberd, or falchion, or beq de corbine, etc, etc, etc, could really be said to be the research of historic re-enacters rather than "Martial Artists". Can this be attributed to the fact that (as I alluded to earlier) hand guns became more available and more widespread in the West than in the East? I do apprecaite as somebody said ealier that the Chinese invented gunpowder, but it seems that although the Chinese invented it and used it for military purposes quite early on, the application of this gunpowder (and then later explosives) was seriously taken on board by the Europeans, who then seem to have taken great delight in using it to kill each other for at least 600 years, and perfected its use so to do. Did this reliance on gunpowder and other such weapons detract from the oter martial arts and therefore render them less widely practiced? [/QUOTE]
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