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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mike5k1" data-source="post: 3148217" data-attributes="member: 118732">ContinuedSo lets me try to make at a better definition based on what you and I have included as martial arts i.e parkour, 14th century field mortars, MCMAP and modern warfare. Here it isMartial Art: An art that is either being used as a method of warfare or was once historically used for warfare in the past. Or methods borrowed during warfare to help wage war on an enemy that may not now, themselves be considered in and of themselves martial arts.There I've done itI've included all the martial arts across the world, both modern and ancient, and included any methods ie skiing, rockclimbing that was once used in warfare at some time, But have stated that in and of them selves are not actually martial arts except when used as part of a method to wage war.So my example of firing a 14th century siege cannon each morning, which you agreed is a martial art. Fits nicely into this catergory because it was ONCE used in warfare.As does modern warfare, as you saidIt also includes skiing, rockclimbing, abseiling, because they were once used as part of warfare skills.It also includes Japanese koryu, kendo, aikido, karate, etcAnd as you have saidOk lets say boxing OKSceeeeeech (sound of brakes)Boxing, did you say boxing.When was boxing ever used in warfare?Even going back to the time of the Sumerians and the Greeks and Romans boxing was listed as a sport NEVER an art of war.It began purely as a sport form and even in WW2 it was realised that the techniques of Jujutsu and the package put together by sykes and fairburn were superior to any boxing training.In fact apart from Milling used by the RMC as a method of toughening up the soldier, which is basically just hitting each other whilst wearing boxing gloves, but not something taught at any skill level.And just because someone in the forces does boxing as a pastime whilst on base it does not follow that it is therefore a martial art.Although I would be happy to hear from anyone who can tell me of any times boxing was part of a martial curiculum used specifically for warfare.So maybe we better include sport forms that look like martial arts but in and of themselves were Never used in warfare into that dictionary definition. Martial Art: An art that is either being used as a method of warfare or was once historically used for warfare in the past. Or methods borrowed during warfare to help wage war on an enemy that may not now, themselves be considered in and of themselves martial arts. Or anything that looks like a method of warfare that may never have been intended or used for warfare or any forms that use aggresion to defeat an opponent otherwise also known as a sportBoy that definition just keeps getting bigger by the minute..Ok Ok I know that last partYes I know we could include rugby and american football as these are both sports that use aggresion, and lets not forgethttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1089227/Hero-Royal-Marine-saved-130-soldiers-rugby-tackling-suicide-bomber.htmlCool, Rugby is now a martial art, based on the principle of parkour as described by yourself. LOLAs I said at the begiining, I dont know what the answer is to the question "What is a martial art" which is why i asked for your thoughts.As I also said its not about one of us being right and the other being wrong.Personally i dont think any dictionary definition provides a good defintion of martial art, but it also seems that we neither can come up with a good one. that is satisfactory.Garth</blockquote>

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