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<blockquote data-quote="Marclus" data-source="post: 3056404" data-attributes="member: 111720">I have been reading this post and feel that I may have something to contribute, since I do both alternative (complimentary medicine) and traditional medicine.&nbsp; I am an american D.O.&nbsp; I graduated from Michigan State University, where I did a pre-clinical fellowship in osteopathic manipulation and I am board certified in adult internal medicine.&nbsp; Instead of stating so and so is wrong, or vice versa, I though maybe I could just tell of some of my experiences using manipulation.&nbsp; I have always felt that my manipulation is an &quot;adjunct&quot; to my medicine.&nbsp; I treat a lot of chronic pain and use my manipulation in conjunction with medication (narcotic and non-narcotic), bio-feedback, physical therapy, and psychological therapies.&nbsp; On a &quot;whole&quot; I find that if I am able to treat not only with my prescription pad, but with my hands, my patients do have a quicker recovery time and pain seems to be better tolerated.&nbsp; Now, if you want to get into scientific research, the department of biomechanics at MSU works very closely with the department of manual medicine, and there has been studies done to show the effectiveness of manipulation in a biomechanical model.&nbsp; That being said, there is never going to be the tell-all study to say....&quot;yes, this works and here is x proof&quot;&nbsp; But on the same token, lets say you take a motrin for your headache.&nbsp; One hour later your head aches is gone.&nbsp; Is is gone because the ibuprofen worked on the Coxx-1 inflaofftopictory pathway taking away any inflamation that may be causing your headache, or is it just gone because&nbsp; you took a pain pill and you expect it to work?&nbsp; The same goes for infection, if you come into the doctor&#039;s office with a sore throat, 9 out of ten times it is going to be viral, however the doctor gives you a prescription for amoxicillin, and the next day you feel better.&nbsp; The amoxicillin is doing absolutely nothing for the infection, however, taking the pill that is supposed to &quot;fix&quot; you makes your symptoms better.My father was wheel chair bound with chronic back pain, when I started my fellowship, I volunteered my father to come up to East Lansing and be our &quot;guinea pig&quot;&nbsp; after a couple of months of treatment, he was actually able to move much better, and was no longer wheel chair bound.&nbsp; Was this placebo effect?&nbsp; Could be, my allopathic counterparts would probably argue for that, but all I know is that my dad&#039;s back felt different after a manipulation treatment, and when it felt different, he walked better.&nbsp; I can&#039;t just write that off to placebo effect.&nbsp; But I also have had people where I have done some treatment on them and I swear there has been no difference in tissue changes, range of motion, etc that I can see or feel, but they swear they feel better, placebo effect?&nbsp; Yeah, probably.&nbsp; But also vice versa, I fix something, but there is no difference in the pain.&nbsp; So in a long winded way, I feel that if something you are doing is making you feel better, whether it is manipulation, herbal remedies, shiatsu, meditation, prayer, whatever......if it makes a difference in your life, by all means keep doing it.&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#039;m just glad that insurance companies are starting to embrace alternative treatments more.&nbsp; It helps pay the bills!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Marclus, post: 3056404, member: 111720"] I have been reading this post and feel that I may have something to contribute, since I do both alternative (complimentary medicine) and traditional medicine. I am an american D.O. I graduated from Michigan State University, where I did a pre-clinical fellowship in osteopathic manipulation and I am board certified in adult internal medicine. Instead of stating so and so is wrong, or vice versa, I though maybe I could just tell of some of my experiences using manipulation. I have always felt that my manipulation is an "adjunct" to my medicine. I treat a lot of chronic pain and use my manipulation in conjunction with medication (narcotic and non-narcotic), bio-feedback, physical therapy, and psychological therapies. On a "whole" I find that if I am able to treat not only with my prescription pad, but with my hands, my patients do have a quicker recovery time and pain seems to be better tolerated. Now, if you want to get into scientific research, the department of biomechanics at MSU works very closely with the department of manual medicine, and there has been studies done to show the effectiveness of manipulation in a biomechanical model. That being said, there is never going to be the tell-all study to say...."yes, this works and here is x proof" But on the same token, lets say you take a motrin for your headache. One hour later your head aches is gone. Is is gone because the ibuprofen worked on the Coxx-1 inflaofftopictory pathway taking away any inflamation that may be causing your headache, or is it just gone because you took a pain pill and you expect it to work? The same goes for infection, if you come into the doctor's office with a sore throat, 9 out of ten times it is going to be viral, however the doctor gives you a prescription for amoxicillin, and the next day you feel better. The amoxicillin is doing absolutely nothing for the infection, however, taking the pill that is supposed to "fix" you makes your symptoms better. My father was wheel chair bound with chronic back pain, when I started my fellowship, I volunteered my father to come up to East Lansing and be our "guinea pig" after a couple of months of treatment, he was actually able to move much better, and was no longer wheel chair bound. Was this placebo effect? Could be, my allopathic counterparts would probably argue for that, but all I know is that my dad's back felt different after a manipulation treatment, and when it felt different, he walked better. I can't just write that off to placebo effect. But I also have had people where I have done some treatment on them and I swear there has been no difference in tissue changes, range of motion, etc that I can see or feel, but they swear they feel better, placebo effect? Yeah, probably. But also vice versa, I fix something, but there is no difference in the pain. So in a long winded way, I feel that if something you are doing is making you feel better, whether it is manipulation, herbal remedies, shiatsu, meditation, prayer, whatever......if it makes a difference in your life, by all means keep doing it. I'm just glad that insurance companies are starting to embrace alternative treatments more. It helps pay the bills! [/QUOTE]

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