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<blockquote data-quote="starrfyrre" data-source="post: 2921471" data-attributes="member: 126795">Okay so are you suggesting Iraqi&#039;s aren&#039;t capable of wanting a democracy- so what do they want? I&#039;m not well enough informed on the history of the area to be sure but I have a sneaking suspicion that not all past controlling bodies of Iraq have been secular totalatarian regimes, so what is your solution? You think the US after removing Sadam should have just pulled out and let the faction with the most weapons take control?What does religion have to do with any of it? As far as I know Sadams regime was overtly secular probably alot more secular than the next government will be and no-one is being forced to convert to any other religion so what do you mean by changing the &quot;religious upbringing&quot;?It seems you may have fallen prey to regarding all Middle Eastern people as religious fanatics who all want nothing to do with democracy... Stereotypes = bad but this doesn&#039;t just apply to those on the right of the political spectrum.Its a bit presumptious of you to speak for what all the Iraqi people want- didn&#039;t they hold some sort of vote recently and it turned out that an overwhelming majority of Iraqi&#039;s are actually in favour of the new government? Of course i&#039;m sure that was just American propaganda but I always find it suspicious when people suggest that anything that would seem to contradict their own argument is propaganda but anything that supports it is the real truth that all the &quot;idiots&quot; just can&#039;t realise (so I hope you wont resort to such arguments)! By the by, why would the Iraqi people want to re-install a totalatarian regime i.e. what they had before, seriously Im still not following why you think Iraqi&#039;s and democracy are incompatible?You know Im actually not in favour of the war but I think taking an extremely biased contrary opinion is not really the way to gain a balanced perspective on the war. While people are willing to look at only one side of an argument then debates a usually little more than people shouting Im right! Im right! and sticking their fingers in their ears anytime someone disagrees.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="starrfyrre, post: 2921471, member: 126795"] Okay so are you suggesting Iraqi's aren't capable of wanting a democracy- so what do they want? I'm not well enough informed on the history of the area to be sure but I have a sneaking suspicion that not all past controlling bodies of Iraq have been secular totalatarian regimes, so what is your solution? You think the US after removing Sadam should have just pulled out and let the faction with the most weapons take control? What does religion have to do with any of it? As far as I know Sadams regime was overtly secular probably alot more secular than the next government will be and no-one is being forced to convert to any other religion so what do you mean by changing the "religious upbringing"? It seems you may have fallen prey to regarding all Middle Eastern people as religious fanatics who all want nothing to do with democracy... Stereotypes = bad but this doesn't just apply to those on the right of the political spectrum. Its a bit presumptious of you to speak for what all the Iraqi people want- didn't they hold some sort of vote recently and it turned out that an overwhelming majority of Iraqi's are actually in favour of the new government? Of course i'm sure that was just American propaganda but I always find it suspicious when people suggest that anything that would seem to contradict their own argument is propaganda but anything that supports it is the real truth that all the "idiots" just can't realise (so I hope you wont resort to such arguments)! By the by, why would the Iraqi people want to re-install a totalatarian regime i.e. what they had before, seriously Im still not following why you think Iraqi's and democracy are incompatible? You know Im actually not in favour of the war but I think taking an extremely biased contrary opinion is not really the way to gain a balanced perspective on the war. While people are willing to look at only one side of an argument then debates a usually little more than people shouting Im right! Im right! and sticking their fingers in their ears anytime someone disagrees. [/QUOTE]

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