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<blockquote data-quote="beck_x_4" data-source="post: 2921475" data-attributes="member: 144147">And your point is? I stated that they were terrorists because they are based on an internationally sactioned definition. And yes the IRA are as well (did I suggest that they weren&#039;t? If this was dealing with my comments about the British Occupation of Nothern Ireland, I was simply pointing out a similiar situation... my use of insurgents in the previous posts was intended to be sarcastic). I don&#039;t believe I stated anywhere in my post that ethicity has anything to do with that designation. You seem to be the one who is hung up on that. I&#039;d consider Timothy McVey a terrorist as well. Same tactics, fits same definition. That&#039;s the tough thing about definitions, they have to be applied fairly across the board.As for the rest of your post, CKava did a great job. There were previously democratic instituions in Iraq. Sadam did oppress the largest secular Muslim Community in Iraq (the Shia) which btw has led to some controversy over the make up of government. Not to mention that the Kurds, also oppressed, practiced a different form of Islam as well.Beyond that, another reason that Iraq was chosen for invasion is that it has the highest level of per captia education in that section of the middle east. The fact is a number of people were chomping at the bit for democracy. Though there is quite a bit of debate about what type.I fully admit that this was not an optimal way to start a democracy. But again, I&#039;d suggest that you should read some of the translated Iraqi press that&#039;s online to get a better idea of where things are instead of guessing. And see films like- The control room- Voices from Iraqand a number of others that are being made by ALL sides.Look, I&#039;m not trying to pull rank here, but I&#039;d going to a policy driven, social sciences program at the moment. I&#039;ve probably had more briefings and lessons on this situation than most people here. And from a pretty wide range of sources (both conservative and liberal), Iraqi and American.The smple fact, that hopefully is coming out of ALL of my posts is: Nobody gets out clean on this one.- Matt</blockquote>

[QUOTE="beck_x_4, post: 2921475, member: 144147"] And your point is? I stated that they were terrorists because they are based on an internationally sactioned definition. And yes the IRA are as well (did I suggest that they weren't? If this was dealing with my comments about the British Occupation of Nothern Ireland, I was simply pointing out a similiar situation... my use of insurgents in the previous posts was intended to be sarcastic). I don't believe I stated anywhere in my post that ethicity has anything to do with that designation. You seem to be the one who is hung up on that. I'd consider Timothy McVey a terrorist as well. Same tactics, fits same definition. That's the tough thing about definitions, they have to be applied fairly across the board. As for the rest of your post, CKava did a great job. There were previously democratic instituions in Iraq. Sadam did oppress the largest secular Muslim Community in Iraq (the Shia) which btw has led to some controversy over the make up of government. Not to mention that the Kurds, also oppressed, practiced a different form of Islam as well. Beyond that, another reason that Iraq was chosen for invasion is that it has the highest level of per captia education in that section of the middle east. The fact is a number of people were chomping at the bit for democracy. Though there is quite a bit of debate about what type. I fully admit that this was not an optimal way to start a democracy. But again, I'd suggest that you should read some of the translated Iraqi press that's online to get a better idea of where things are instead of guessing. And see films like - The control room - Voices from Iraq and a number of others that are being made by ALL sides. Look, I'm not trying to pull rank here, but I'd going to a policy driven, social sciences program at the moment. I've probably had more briefings and lessons on this situation than most people here. And from a pretty wide range of sources (both conservative and liberal), Iraqi and American. The smple fact, that hopefully is coming out of ALL of my posts is: Nobody gets out clean on this one. - Matt [/QUOTE]

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