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<blockquote data-quote="IneedAnswers" data-source="post: 3256256" data-attributes="member: 141357">It is catching on in European countries, but in general bar culture is more civilised than in the UK and probably a lot more so than in Oz. I can imagine some Aussie bars being very rowdy. I can also correlate it to a rise in football hooliganism - which used to be the specialist preserve of UK youth culture up to about the mid/late 1980s. There is also a commercial aspect to it as well i.e. milk kids of their money when they are drunk. There is a lot of aping of UK and American youth culture in European youth these days.In Europe, by tradition, kids are introduced to drinking the odd glass of wine at home with their families at about 12 years old or so, as part of a family meal. Germany has well organised beer festivals that are much more civilised than what we have in the UK.In the UK I sometimes see older folk engaging in drunken violence, but in Europe I have only seen youngsters at it. Some places in Europe are very dangerous on the streets but its mostly to do with immigrant tensions in inner cities e.g. Brussels or robbery e.g. Naples and Marseille.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IneedAnswers, post: 3256256, member: 141357"] It is catching on in European countries, but in general bar culture is more civilised than in the UK and probably a lot more so than in Oz. I can imagine some Aussie bars being very rowdy. I can also correlate it to a rise in football hooliganism - which used to be the specialist preserve of UK youth culture up to about the mid/late 1980s. There is also a commercial aspect to it as well i.e. milk kids of their money when they are drunk. There is a lot of aping of UK and American youth culture in European youth these days. In Europe, by tradition, kids are introduced to drinking the odd glass of wine at home with their families at about 12 years old or so, as part of a family meal. Germany has well organised beer festivals that are much more civilised than what we have in the UK. In the UK I sometimes see older folk engaging in drunken violence, but in Europe I have only seen youngsters at it. Some places in Europe are very dangerous on the streets but its mostly to do with immigrant tensions in inner cities e.g. Brussels or robbery e.g. Naples and Marseille. [/QUOTE]

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