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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LB&amp;Orina" data-source="post: 2213995" data-attributes="member: 777548">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/birmingham/10387146.stmyet another ghastly piece of news, and what will happen young offenders and counselling. Too soft on crime or too extreme solution? thoughts ta whilst one is attempting to get the fur off the back seat.dave g: the object  is to answer the question, if you have nothing constructive to type then move on.well scottish guy  one wonders why people would think that just because one posts a question that its my personal view and not just a question. So its just a question, take an advril go for a lie down in a darkened room and chill out.</blockquote>