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<blockquote data-quote="ilovehottopic94" data-source="post: 3263118" data-attributes="member: 92627">First off, I have a bit of a problem with the way you are lumping all aspects of foreign society you find abhorrent into a &quot;them&quot; to your &quot;us&quot;.I agree that Western civilization has made progress in assuring human rights for its citizens (though we are prone to turning a blind eye when assuring foreigner&#039;s human rights might reduce our profits).But it has been a long, hard and at times bloody road for us to get where we are today. It is the culmination of centuries of revolt, rebellion, civil war, protest, legal battles, campaigning and lobbying.I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s as simple as saying &quot;come on, look where we are, catch up you barbarians.&quot;. A lot of our rights have been borne from reacting to conditions and circumstance, and some of the attitudes in this thread come across as feeling it is some innate superiority that got us here. Well, it&#039;s not, and if our culture&#039;s circumstances had worked out differently we could easily be the ones doing all these &quot;unthinkable&quot; acts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ilovehottopic94, post: 3263118, member: 92627"] First off, I have a bit of a problem with the way you are lumping all aspects of foreign society you find abhorrent into a "them" to your "us". I agree that Western civilization has made progress in assuring human rights for its citizens (though we are prone to turning a blind eye when assuring foreigner's human rights might reduce our profits). But it has been a long, hard and at times bloody road for us to get where we are today. It is the culmination of centuries of revolt, rebellion, civil war, protest, legal battles, campaigning and lobbying. I just don't think it's as simple as saying "come on, look where we are, catch up you barbarians.". A lot of our rights have been borne from reacting to conditions and circumstance, and some of the attitudes in this thread come across as feeling it is some innate superiority that got us here. Well, it's not, and if our culture's circumstances had worked out differently we could easily be the ones doing all these "unthinkable" acts. [/QUOTE]

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