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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jimanddottaylor" data-source="post: 2741313" data-attributes="member: 150979">Civics have almost become legengs for indestructable engines that can be tunes to put out fantastic horsepower without exploding.  People with old Civics can put a cheap (loud) muffler on and they can pretend like they are tuned to no end.  Sort of riding on a legend.In decades gone by, a person might put duel exhaust (or even fake duel exhaust) on their old Ford or Chev and pretend they had horsepower.People with newer Fords and Chevs never bothered</blockquote>