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<blockquote data-quote="Flawed_logic" data-source="post: 2448242" data-attributes="member: 839349">There are karate/TKD moves I notice all the time. For instance spinning back kicks or crescents (occasionally). The problem with japanese jujitsu is that joint-locks aren&#039;t very good pins. You can usually get out of them by spinning, but in the street they aren&#039;t meant to be pins. Joint-locks would be a quick rip or snap to break the joint. Also the whole thing about how little time mma fighters have. You have to be the best fighter possible in a short amount of time, and arts like jujitsu take a LOT longer to become proficient enough to fight with.On another level, I blame the lack of knowledge of the arts. If you watch Bas Rutten on Aikido, he talks about catching a punch like it&#039;s something magical. You catch a punch the same way wrestlers catch kicks, with a wrap. Lots of people don&#039;t get it and just assume that in the street you reach for the punch and try to grab out of thin air. Not only that, but many joint-locks focus on the wrist, which is taped. Once a wrist is taped, it&#039;s not moving. The other thing is that elbow locks generally aren&#039;t good against wrestlers when only trying to subdue them. While a quick snap and the elbow is gone, i you leave it their long enough a good wrestler can get out of it. There&#039;s also the gloves which make it hard to really grab onto the other guy to take control.I do think that some joint-locks can and SHOULD be used in mma, like a folding elbow lock and a figure-4 (it&#039;s not a kimura no matter what you say) from standing positions. It&#039;s just that mma fighters either don&#039;t really commit to strikes or they&#039;re to afraid to try the locks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Flawed_logic, post: 2448242, member: 839349"] There are karate/TKD moves I notice all the time. For instance spinning back kicks or crescents (occasionally). The problem with japanese jujitsu is that joint-locks aren't very good pins. You can usually get out of them by spinning, but in the street they aren't meant to be pins. Joint-locks would be a quick rip or snap to break the joint. Also the whole thing about how little time mma fighters have. You have to be the best fighter possible in a short amount of time, and arts like jujitsu take a LOT longer to become proficient enough to fight with. On another level, I blame the lack of knowledge of the arts. If you watch Bas Rutten on Aikido, he talks about catching a punch like it's something magical. You catch a punch the same way wrestlers catch kicks, with a wrap. Lots of people don't get it and just assume that in the street you reach for the punch and try to grab out of thin air. Not only that, but many joint-locks focus on the wrist, which is taped. Once a wrist is taped, it's not moving. The other thing is that elbow locks generally aren't good against wrestlers when only trying to subdue them. While a quick snap and the elbow is gone, i you leave it their long enough a good wrestler can get out of it. There's also the gloves which make it hard to really grab onto the other guy to take control. I do think that some joint-locks can and SHOULD be used in mma, like a folding elbow lock and a figure-4 (it's not a kimura no matter what you say) from standing positions. It's just that mma fighters either don't really commit to strikes or they're to afraid to try the locks. [/QUOTE]

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