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<blockquote data-quote="JePe" data-source="post: 2089938" data-attributes="member: 117218">Sure seems that it is to me, but curious on other&#039;s views.djmantix:Paul certainly was.&nbsp; His teachings violated both Judaism and Jesus... bit of a double-whammy there.Alice:Multiple reasons.&nbsp; Most organized Messianic Groups are known to be fronts for fundamentalist protestant mission groups.&nbsp; Very VERY few (typically less than 10%) of members can claim to have any valid Jewish ancestry or experience.&nbsp; Most such groups have as a stated goal the conversion of Jews (if they themselves are Jewish... what conversion is there?&nbsp; Such a claim can only be taken as the intent to destroy classical Judaism)To declare Jesus the Messiah is to call G-D a liar since Jesus did not fulfill the Jewish Messianic prophecies.In short -- despite the trappings being the same, the theology and culture could not be any more different.It&#039;d be like a bunch of white guys of purely European descent dancing around a fire and calling themselves Completed Cherokees -- and I would consider that bigoted and racist towards the Cherokee Nation (hence my issue with the Order of the Arrow in Boy Scouts).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JePe, post: 2089938, member: 117218"] Sure seems that it is to me, but curious on other's views. djmantix: Paul certainly was. His teachings violated both Judaism and Jesus... bit of a double-whammy there. Alice: Multiple reasons. Most organized Messianic Groups are known to be fronts for fundamentalist protestant mission groups. Very VERY few (typically less than 10%) of members can claim to have any valid Jewish ancestry or experience. Most such groups have as a stated goal the conversion of Jews (if they themselves are Jewish... what conversion is there? Such a claim can only be taken as the intent to destroy classical Judaism) To declare Jesus the Messiah is to call G-D a liar since Jesus did not fulfill the Jewish Messianic prophecies. In short -- despite the trappings being the same, the theology and culture could not be any more different. It'd be like a bunch of white guys of purely European descent dancing around a fire and calling themselves Completed Cherokees -- and I would consider that bigoted and racist towards the Cherokee Nation (hence my issue with the Order of the Arrow in Boy Scouts). [/QUOTE]

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