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Message: <blockquote data-quote="beta_hat" data-source="post: 3278455" data-attributes="member: 158636">I've been following this and debating on a different forum (Sher.........) and explaining to people why he was going to walk.The only consideration in this case was the justifiable use of deadly force at the time Zimmerman pulled the trigger.It was not a stand your ground case but a pure self-defense case. There is nothing proving Zimmerman struck first and following someone is not assault and even if Zimmerman had garbed Martin first he could still have used deadly force as he would have become the victim once Martin began to use excessive force.Statutes: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776ContentsIndex.htmlIMO (originally posted there before the outcome)Z let his alligator attitude over load his humming bird rear.TM was no shy innocence child running in fear.I have and and will have again 17 and 18 year olds in the gym with their limited "street fighting" abilities and grown up size believe they are bad  grown men. They want to swing for the fences during sparring and believe everyone is scared of them. It part of being young, stupid and male. In the gym it gets them knocked on their rear and a dose of just where they stand real quick.There are plenty of young men out there like this and always will be. Most but not all will live and learn.So we have humming bird rear that most likely had attitude  and TM was most likely about "keeping it real" (do they still use that saying) and was going to get Z straight for talking crap to a "grown  man"Up to this point Z has been a bit of rear in the way he handled the situation. That was his big mistake. If TM had let it go at the first punch ( I assume humming bird rear wasn't about to get up and rumble) this is where it would have ended maybe even long before the police arrived with Z going home to nurse this nose and ego and TM going on about his way knowing he taught that guy to mess with a "man".However TM being young and male like 90% of young males makes a stupid decision and is going to teach the guy a lesson and whup his rear.Do I believe TM wanted to try and kill Z, no he just wanted to lay a rear whipping on him.Now humming bird rear is taking a beating like he never took in his life and he believes that this guy is going to do some real damage and no one is coming to save is humming bird rear and decides it's up to him and he has to do something before it's too late. Could TM in his iofftopicture decision have done great bodily harm to Z, well with it starting on the side walk and getting his head banged it's possible.So all in all we have a cluster situation of a night with not one big thing causing it all but a lot of little things getting us one dead and one not.Most likely (and it looks that way) Z was legal in using deadly force (the jury did see it that way) because TM was not mature enough to know when he stepped over the line and such is the thing of being a 17 year old. Sometimes we all did stupid stuff at that age and I did much more then my share. I wounder how I made it this long many times.There is no winner in this. We will never know if TM would have grown up and after getting his rear knock around some wising up and lead a great life. One mistake be it drinking and driving or a host of other this we guys do or did as young men could end a life on any night. Most of us are just lucky we didn't set yourself up for our own cluster situation before we learned.And we have Z that might now be wiser but the price even for him will be high not to mention all the people left behind on both sides.PS: The above and $2.50 will get you a cup of coffee.</blockquote>

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