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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ldr10135" data-source="post: 3278680" data-attributes="member: 117411">Perhaps so, but in every narrative, it's about M attacking Z and Z defending himself. It is enterely concievble that M's action were borne out of fear/You try it. reach around someone's thigh all the way to your waist with enough strength to get a full grip on a gun. That assumes a carry to the front or side of the hip. Any type of towards the back carry and you now also have to lift your body. Now try it while getting your head pounded into concrete. Something just does not add up.</blockquote>