Abortion is Wrong

Women like that are EXACTLY why we need abortion as an option.
Such a person isn't going to "learn a lesson" just because you deny them the ability to deal with a pregnancy she doesn't want.
She will continue with her behaviour. She won't, or in all likelihood can't, change her behaviour. It's not that she hasn't been sufficiently punished before now or has avoided the consequences.
In all probability a woman like that already lives a pretty crudey life anyway.
 
It sounds like you're more worried about people taking responsibility for their actions than you are about fetuses. I'd say stop worrying about other people's lives. Under our current legal system, abortion is one way of taking responsibility for your choices. Like it or not, it's a viable answer to the question "what should I do about being pregnant?"
 
Other than PASmith's point about maybe that woman does need an abortion, I don't like examples like that. (I get its just a quick anecdotal thing by the way ) They're very extreme examples that are also incredibly rare, but they seem to get mentioned a lot as a way of saying "look, this is why abortion is bad because of women like this." Its the equivalent of when you have a discussion about the welfare system and someone says "well look at this story about an immigrant family with 16 kids and they were gifted a mansion." Its an outlier that doesn't represent the vast, vast majority of people that any end decision is going to effect.

It would be like if I went and found a story about a girl who was raped by her father, was forced to keep the pregnancy because abortion was illegal and she then commited suicide. Its an emotive case for making abortion legal, but its such an extreme and rare situation that its really not worth much in the overall debate.
 
He's right you know.
Most non medical abortions are just normal women caught out at a bad time I think. I still think there are too many and that people should take greater steps before having one but they aren't all shameless harlots putting it about without a care in the world (although obviousy those women exist too).
 
Sure, if you analyse the figures from the very early stages. These figures I'm sure reduce as the term lengthens. These days you are advised that up to the first 3 months things are more likely to go wrong. And in terms of expectations that's where you would expect higher failure rates. If you took the figures from 2-3 months in to the end, then miscarriage figures I think would be lower.

But generally speaking I don't think we expect miscarriage to be the majority or the norm once the more vulnerable early stages are passed. Do you ?

That's what I was getting at. But sure I accept that in the earlier stages the failure rates are much higher.

From the link:



I also think it's something of a moot point: So what ?

Because a lot end on their own has no bearing at all on whether anyone's more or less justified to end it themselves.
 
So you think that's a rare thing? You don't think there are multiple cases of this in every area? This is in ONE small town. This population is probably 1-2000... that's it. How many abortions happen daily? Let's assume these children grow up, and then become taxpayers themselves... they would then contribute to society.

Ok, "i'm pregnant" what do I do? Well, you have the child and you put it up for adoption.

If you can't keep it in your pants then I would say don't talk about abortion if you can't live up to what you created with someone else. You are indeed killing a life. I don't care how anyone tries to twist or turn it. People like to try to feel good by saying that it's only a life X amount of days, weeks, whatever into the pregnancy. You know what? I might not like your Wife or your girlfriend. Can I just kill her and put her in a back alley dumpster like they do in the abortion clinics?

I love the "we can't tell women what to do with their bodies" excuse that people always throw out there too. You really have to laugh because yet those same people are making a choice for a life that isn't their own everyday. We all will reap what we sow however.
 
awww, i'm very heartbroken that they didn't have the money for a condom.
 
oh... i'm sorry then. I must have been mistaken. If all the abortions in the world are the result of a broken condom that's ok then.
 
Wow dude, not very big on compassion are you.

What was it some wise dude once said, oh yeah, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
 
I think the whole abortion thing is an easier to explain way of population control, and since we are a "free" nation we have to be PC and say "oh no, you are free to do whatever you want to your bodies" that way we don't look like a dictatorship.
 
Lol! and here comes the typical, you're a Christian, so you shouldn't talk thing right?

Everyone else in here has their opinion. I'm wrong when I have mine though right?
 
Right, because otherwise we would be telling 50% of the population they have no rights when it comes to their bodies and that would make us a dictatorship rather than just looking like one.
 
Dude it wasn't a matter of right or wrong. I'll be honest and say I don't know what the right answer is.

Just saying I haven't been getting much in the way of compassion from your recent posts.

There but for the grace of God, comes to mind.
 
Let me also add there is a difference between genuine compassion and genuine stupidity. The choice of abortion is a selfish way to try to get yourself out of having to deal with reality and responsibility. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that you have a choice to have sex, you have a choice to use protection, and then if you have used up those choices and you are pregnant, you have a choice to give that child up so that someone who cannot have a child is able to have one. That's a pretty good amount of choices isn't it?
 
And it's your place to determine what are good choices for other people?

Wow, I wouldn't want that responsibility.
 
I'm with you that people should take more responsibility for what they do with their genitals but you are massively straw manning here.
No one has said that or will say that.
 
I don't want to bring God into this because pretty much no one here believes in one which is fine and their right, and another issue completely... that actually doesn't kill people. Do you have a child? Would you fight for it? Kill for it? Die for it?

Your avatar, were/are you a soldier?
 
I have one (and another on the way) but would still opt for abortion under certain circumstances.

Abraham gets quite a lot of props across the religious world for being willing to kill his own child.
 
That's the problem here. No one actually steps up these days and says "abortion is an absolute LAST resort, you can get free condoms all day long at health departments, you can get BC, etc, etc, etc."

So if a man and woman conceive a child, the woman wants an abortion, but the man does not... the woman can choose all for herself (the selfish) even though the man is willing to take the responsibility and wants the child?
 
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