Abortion is Wrong

[peterngoodwin]

Regarding driving a car, I was thinking more of someone being injured in an accident that wasn't their fault. They still increased their risk of that for selfish reasons, presuming they live in an area with available public transport.

See, I feel that for most people sex is a fundamental part of life, not some kind of extravagant luxury that should be foregone unless you are willing to have children. So, you bringing up the "if we thought that way about risk, we might as well stay indoors" comment is supporting my counter argument.

I also feel your comments were callous and lacking empathy and compassion.

And, given current employment rates, presuming a person will give more than they take financially is... well, presumptive.

 

[LifeSucksandSoDoYou]

Haha, Paul, you think I'm extreme....wow. I could show you a whole forum of posting people who are true childfree extremists.....you would definitely have an anurysm.



Oh thats not even the half of it. I've spoken of this guy before....Right now hes a sensei of his own dojo in our shotokan association and his new gf who I think is a complete dingbat, is a blue belt already and has only been in karate 2 and a half years. I have always suspected he is fast tracking her. Nepotism. I've said all this before. Oh well. Not my problem anymore! Yay!



Hehe. Thats why i said it Mission accomplished.





The thing is, whether the texter caused his own crash, he/she is still entitled to treatment. We do not say no you cant, because you contributed to it" like people say about women who wish to abort.

 

[EquinsuOchat]

Sexual intercourse isn't just about pleasure. That's a bit of an oversimplification. We're hardwired to have sex. We're hardwired to reproduce, and bond with a mate, and share intimacy, and those are very powerful drives that have psychological consequences when not fulfilled. The responsible thing IS using protection. The problem is it isn't 100% reliable. So telling a young, impoverished, pregnant girl, whose brain wasn't even fully emotionally developed to process impulsivity control yet, "sorry, your condom broke and you can't afford an abortion, so you hafta have that kid," isn't exactly socially compassionate or productive.

 

[Augi]

Is that what she tells you?

JOKE!!!!!

 

[Gnagstasmooth5]

You know what? I'll actually give you that... it at least isn't really an excuse. If someone says, you know what.. I was caught up in the moment, and it's my fault for not using protection. That's at the very least they accept the responsiblity.

 

[michelleeee1]

David, against my better judgement.. I will give you my religious view of it.

My religious view has nothing to do with being responsible for ones actions. My religious view is this: A child is a gift to us, a child is a life IMO from the very conception. There are multiple verses of the Bible that I can quote about a child and what is said about it. It comes down to this... if you were given a gift, you don't kill it or throw it away. The issue here is simply that there are those who don't believe a human is a human upon conception. I do believe so.

I try my best to seperate my religious views from others. Anyway, I don't really see the need to further preach to anyone about my religion though.

 

[frogisland]

So we should all go and have as many babies as possible?

Because OMG PRESENTS!

 

[melatina08]

I believe in G-D. Very much so. I also believe a woman has the right to do what she needs to with her body to preserve her physical and/or mental health.

 

[WOo0P]

Bible also says that you should take the rebelious child to the town square and stone him to death.

 

[vanillashimmer21]

There you go: fairness is a woman deciding if the child lives or dies before it is born, then the father decides if it lives at any time after it is born.

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[VolleyballChick]

You should trust your judgement more. Even though I disagree, I do see the beauty in your opinion.

The difference between us, I think, is that I can find multiple viewpoints agreeable, whereas you feel there is but the one way.

I'm not making a value judgement on that, because I'm not confident enough to declare the answer. The only issue I have with you, is that you do think you know the answer. Hopefully you can see the respect within my statements.

 

[Luvable]

To be fair, those of us who have had teenagers fully understand that passage.

 

[Johnny`]

Presumably, if an omnipotent entity didn't want abortions to happen, they wouldn't.

Or it's a deliberate test, and the results will be evident upon death.

I always thought it was odd that god doesn't allow people to test him, but he gets to test people as much as he wants.

Smacks of an abusive relationship to me.

 

[zero_2_100]

The Bible also states that "if you spare the rod, you hate your child", what scripture you're quoting in Deuteronomy is a metaphor IMO. It's easy to google and post a verse, it's quite another thing to actually study it. The Bible is simply saying that if you have a child like that he/she may as well be dead because that is what path it will lead he/she down. It is telling the parents that you may as well stone the child yourself because you have not raised he/she correctly. The bible teaches much about children and how they are to obey. The Bible also says to obey your parents and your days will be long on the earth. It says many things.

Things are not always in black and white with the Bible just like with the rest of the world, or the subject that we are speaking of now.

My opinion about abortion when I said that I feel that it should only be in the case of a woman being raped, or a danger of death to the Mother. This is me separating my views from Biblical vs. rights. MY view is that I would likely hate someone who raped me if I were a woman would be to get rid of that child. However, am I right Biblically for that? No, I am not... and I do not claim to be all right all the time. The truth is that it is a chance to take something bad and make it into something good, and also to forgive. As the Bible again says... "for if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?". I wonder this all the time as my Wife is a VERY good hearted and forgiving woman and has shown me what an actual terrible man I am.

 

[KDubz]

So you acknowledge that it gets murky when the bible comes down to interpretation?

Again (just to make sure) I hope you realize I'm not attacking your beliefs, but acknowledging that's it possible for Christians to interpret the bible differently.

I'm presuming that CanuckMA is Jewish, as s/he won't write "God" (even though I thought the joojoo only works if it's in Hebrew).

 

[owlmyste]

I absolutely believe that the the majority of the time the Bible gets OVERinterpreted... not just differently. I think many times the Bible means what it means, but sometimes it's not. I believe that it is flat wrong to interpret a scripture or basically to twist it to fit your own belief, but I don't like that about anything else either whether it is the law, government, etc. This is why I like the term follower of Christ more so than the term Christian, as today's version of a Christian can mean anything. Christ's teachings were quite different from the rampaging ones you often see today holding up the "burn in hell" or "f@g" signs. Christ would not do that and would condemn much of today's religious behavior.

 

[DiamondWave]

But you did just do that in your previous post, right? You said that it's probably not right to stone your child to death and that it's just a metaphor.

Also, to be clear, I really like you regardless of beliefs. I'm just pointing out how easy it is to twist things when interpreting the bible as anything other than literally. (even good well thought out points about how your child may as well be dead if they won't change, rather than the literal term, "you should kill your child")

 

[crazychick1]

Saved is a nice polite fellow. But even as nice of a fella as he is, I dont think I could really like anyone who wants to take away rights to my body and whats in it and attached to it. Bodily autonomy. Cant believe he's make me have my ex's baby if he had made me pregnant. And considering all that I have said about me and him on the forum, I think most people would be with me that its not good to bring a kid into that pile of mucky muck. Pro lifers say "but - adoption!" But - my ex would have never allow me to do that. Because control freak. He wanted to keep the kid, has to have everything his way. but he would not be a good 1 to have any kids. Makes me glad his gf now is over 50. so likely wont happen, haha.

 

[magictinkerbelle17]

Well, you could say that, but I don't feel that it is twisted to fit my own agenda. The Bible says "as a man thinks in his heart, so is he" This means most of the things that I have already thought about and actually either enjoyed or thought of again that is against God's law ... is a sin. There is no misinterpreting that one IMO and if I were to TRY to twist one, that would be the one that I and probably most would attempt to twist.

We would have the issue of misinterpretation and twisting no matter what subect though.

On your other point I don't know why some of the authors speak more in metaphors instead of just straight like they mean it. Things would be much easier I agree. But that it why I actually avoid religion and live by more simple rules which would be: Have faith, have love, always try... even when you KNOW you will fail but keep going anyway, do what you think Christ Himself would do. I don't feel that complicating things makes it any easier.

 

[rphil04]

You'll be there soon