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Sakarah

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also anyone who works in a car or scooter factory there gets a scooter for half the price, sometimes free.
they also carry entire families in india
 
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mejack0

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maybe i got some of them beliefs. I believe that our society and culture is better/superior than a society where the men can kill all the women for wearing the wrong clothes or having boyfriends. Am I an ethnocentric? i'm just wondering......
 
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LeeshaL

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every culture has problems and stuff to learn from others.
superior means you think that they're culture is terrible, when you only dislike one thing about it and know nothing else of it.

you dislike parts of a culture and cant really say that you're better.

theres many things that people like about japanese culture but if we were to judge the entire culture on the one thing we know about a small group of its people e.g. tentacle fetish - and then claim ourselves superior, that would be silly.


yes. whole families on a scooter. husband, wife and 2 kids
 
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AmiD

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While honour killings and other misogynistic practices might seem alien and at odds with Western society's values, it's probably worth remembering that (something like, on average) 2 women are murdered by their ex-partners in the UK every week.

Different context, same underlying barbarism, IMO.
 
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OzamaBinLaden

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No it isn't. You won't see a person in the UK getting a virtual pat on the back for killing their partner from the wider community.
They are both done by idiot men but they way the people around them react is what determines the "cultural health" of a particular society IMHO.
You also don't get many non honour murder partner killings where the father and brothers help out too.

To me India is a good example of certain aspects of culture that are not as advanced as most Western ones. I'm with Vampyrthingy on that one (although the way she's going about it sucks).
Not because they don't have electricity or no cars. That's not culture. That's circumstance.
It's because of things like the Caste system. Where a person is destined to live their whole lives within a set strata of society (including a class that are "untouchable") with no chance of making things better for themselves.
Of course much of Europe had a similar system in the past (Aristocracy, landed gentry and all that) but it's something we are attempting (slowly admittedly) to even out.
Also in the case of favouring one gender for children over another. How boys are culturally favoured in India is not healthy.
When people are contemplating killing babies, sex changes and IVF purely to end up with a son then I think it's safe to say that your culture has something to improve when it comes to equality of the sexes.
Again...the west had similar issues in the past (goodness me we only chnaged the succession to the throne England to treat females equally this year!) but I don't think it's too out there to think the west is "better" in that regard?
 
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NarutoUzumaki

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Point taken...perhaps a plainer 'same underlying hatred of, and contempt for, women' would have been more appropriate.

I certainly take your point about the way society views those killings though.

Though there is still an element of 'she deserved everything she got' in certain strains of our society. At least in the backwards little corner I inhabit.
 
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charmgirlarielle

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Also, to wave at the original topic, I remember reading some chilling statistics on the level of violent abuse in relationships, and levels of acceptance of the same, amongst today's teenagers.

I'm sure you youngsters could woogle up the factoids on your gikipods if you wanted to.

You know, just to cheer everyone up.
 
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jtar_2010

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@PASmith.
this was the point i was getting at with the vamp thing was that the things you dont like about one culture are only parts of cultures in massive countries with many cultures.
india is a good one because culture, religion, ethnic over lap greatly such that there are many different groups.
to make sweeping statements about a country completely disregards all the other cultures in the country.
and claiming superiority because you of a few things are crazy from some cultures in a massive community is crazy.
those country could claim superiority due to the lack of family values western society has in comparison to india or china, but just because they dont like a few things, it doesnt mean your superior.

still the killing of infant girls in many indian villages is barbaric and is being rallied against in india.
a hit film was made on the topic
 
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pierced_silver

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You got a point too some of our society is messed up. Like that Manitoba rape case where the judge gave the criminal a slap on the wrist because the girl was dressed like 'sex was in the air' (his words exactly)
 
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legionofthenameless

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Interesting point of view. The problem with that point of view is you live in a society where we know, accept and preach to the rest of the world killing innocent people is wrong. But when a country has resources we need that they aren't sharing or when a country is led by a regime we cannot deal with. We'll happily go in and carpet bomb them back to the stone age. Killing god knows how many men, women and children in the process. And while some went out to protest in the streets. Most of us sat at home and watch the sanitised action unfold from the safety of our living rooms through the television. Streamed live and direct 24/7. And our concern wasn't for the innocent caught in the crossfire. It was for the men and women we sent to war to rain down such destruction on a weaker enemy.

This is how the western world has been built. This is how the western world has maintained it's dominance. Just how better are we as a society? There is nothing in our culture that makes the western world inherently "better" than any other culture on the planet.
 
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ANAHEIM_ORANGEtCOUNTY

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There are few cars in India given the number of people. You need to do some research. Motorbikes, mostly moped, scooters and small displacement motorcycles are very popular there because cheap affordable transportation.
 
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gilmeraaron

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Research? Ok.

India has a population of 1.21 billion with 15 motor vehicles per 1000 people. Which means India currently has around 18,152,901 motor vehicles. Which is just over half the population of Canada. Canada's estimated population doesn't even approach half of India's population. India's passenger car industry also produced around 3.7 million units in 2010 and is on course to become the 6th largest passenger car producer in the world.

Canada has an estimated population of 34,650,000 with 620 motor vehicles per 1000 people. Which means Canada currently has around 21,483,000 motor vehicles. Which is quite a bit less than almost everybody. Canada's automotive production output is seemingly marginally less than India.

I short. I don't think you're quite grasping the sheer scale of India's population compared to Canada or the current pace of development there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India
http://www.worldometers.info/cars/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_India
http://www.rediff.com/money/2004/oct/23car.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_India
 
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officialshanellegray

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Depression is not purely biochemical. There is huge argument that depression is a biochemical imbalance caused by psychological stresses and circumstances. It really isn't as simple as you seem to believe.



Yes.



Just confident in my own abilities.



Whoop de doo. Yes, I know what colleges and universities are for. They are there to (occasionally) carry out valuable research with no immediately practical application but which can nevertheless eventually change the world. They are also there to provide 'academic' careers for a bunch of people with no practical skills and to give another group of people pieces of paper for having learned segments of knowledge they have no idea how to apply.



That all depends on what you call progress.



Great. And three of the people I work with have come over to the UK for a time to earn enough money that they can afford to go back to India and be rich, afford houses, and found their own businesses. I'll leave it to you, little girl, to work out what that means.



Okay. Sounds fun. Lets play.



There are few cars in London given the number of people. You need to do some research. Feet are very popular there because it's cheap, affordable transportation.
 
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WeLiveOnFascinatione

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This I think is a fundamental mistake that people make in Gender politics.

Man committing crime against woman =/= man committing act of misogyny.

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Gender crime is not defined by one gender member mistreating another. Rather, it is when one individual mistreats another BECAUSE of their gender.

It's a subtle distinction but I think it is something we need to be aware of when we are talking about sexism.
 
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