ozzychikeee
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I think the money should stop at a couple. People continuing to have children whilst unemployed should not get benefit for those kids
Big Families, Problem Children and Parenting (split from Is England Disappearing)
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polarized1
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It's not a debate. It's not going to happen, simple as. Nobody in england is going to vote for a system by which the child can be removed from the parents any easier than they can be now
hannahcatcatmn
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If you really want to make a contribution or argue with me, please take what i say and READ IT. i said that people who show they are not prepared to give anything to society, and are not prepared to work in any way shape or form. These are the people who just don't care, and refuse to do anything because they just want aid off the government. There are some people who are on the dole and are trying to find work, some who contributed to society once upon a time and found themselved made redundant. These people wouldn't be affected because they are TRYING.
So are you complaining about the benefits culture or the fact that children are becoming lil ? Because the too aren't that closely tied, unless you read conservative newspapers with no actual facts of any kind. Kids aren't being lil craps because there parents are on the dole. They are being lil craps because nobody stops them, there is no discipline, no morals and no basic level of parental control, courtesy largely of the Law.
Chavs existed years ago under different names, I don't think we were as bad as some of the youth nowadays but the money through drug dealing wasn't there. Many of these gangs have come about since the late 80's to control drug sales, when it's someones business involved the stakes get very high.
What im saying is that people who arent contributing anything to society and do not want to and have no understanding of how to bring up children and dont even want to learn those people will be given chance to change their methods and try, but just as it works today people who mistreat children and i think that people who 'drag' their kids up in the sense of the kids end up looking after themselves because their parents cant be bothered will be treated as a form of mistreatment to the child and therefor be taken untill such time occurs that the parent can actually look after a child.
What i am complaining about is those parents who as you put 'have no basic level of parental control', the system of 'parenting' classes would give the parents that level of understanding of how to look after there kids. I've never been in trouble with the police, never mugged anyone, never robbed someones house now is that because the law would be easy on me?
No, its because i was bought up in the way that means i understand that that stuff is wrong, and shouldnt be done. I fail to see why everyones getting their knickers in a twist because bad parents are allowed to drag up their kids and not teach them any form of manners or understanding of what it is to be a person and respect.
No, its because i was bought up in the way that means i understand that that stuff is wrong, and shouldnt be done. I fail to see why everyones getting their knickers in a twist because bad parents are allowed to drag up their kids and not teach them any form of manners or understanding of what it is to be a person and respect.
So you think that parents who simply let their kids roam the streets of britain getting into all kinds of trouble and beating innocent people up and sometimes killing them is fair?
Its not a test in a sense of answer A B C D as i said BEFORE numerous times. Its a class which gives people the KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of what children need to know, and how kids should be bought up to understand that bad is wrong and you shouldn't do certain stuff.
Its not a test in a sense of answer A B C D as i said BEFORE numerous times. Its a class which gives people the KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of what children need to know, and how kids should be bought up to understand that bad is wrong and you shouldn't do certain stuff.
I dont watch 'tracy beaker' no.
Lets look at Rhys, the 11 year old kid who got shot and killed. His shooter apparantly was a 15 year old. Now is that because the law is easy on kids? Or is it that this kids parents didn't bring him up to actually understand the concept of 'Work hard, Try your best, Be someone' or did they teach 'Im off to get drunk, stay out till whenever you want, i dont really care what the hell you do' ?
Lets look at Rhys, the 11 year old kid who got shot and killed. His shooter apparantly was a 15 year old. Now is that because the law is easy on kids? Or is it that this kids parents didn't bring him up to actually understand the concept of 'Work hard, Try your best, Be someone' or did they teach 'Im off to get drunk, stay out till whenever you want, i dont really care what the hell you do' ?
airlinecute
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We are getting into a WHOLE new area now,one that doesn't really relate to the op, let's keep focussed on the original thread please.
flyingbee13
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At the end of the day these parenting classes could be run by GOOD parents. The kind of parents who bring their kids up with respect, values and morals. It doesn't matter who teaches the kids what matters is they understand that they have to teach their kids.
Do you not watch super nanny?
Do you not watch super nanny?
Didn't we get to that area ages ago, infact when you originally started posting?
Not to sound rude but the OP wasn't about anything in which you were talking about. A quote from the OP: An exodus unprecedented in modern times, coupled with a record influx of foreigners, is threatening to erode the character of the land of William Shakespeare and overpowering monarchs, a land that served as the cradle for much of American thought, law and culture.
This is what the OP is about, its about foreigners who are comming to England and changing culture. Not my words obviously, just what it states in the link.
Not to sound rude but the OP wasn't about anything in which you were talking about. A quote from the OP: An exodus unprecedented in modern times, coupled with a record influx of foreigners, is threatening to erode the character of the land of William Shakespeare and overpowering monarchs, a land that served as the cradle for much of American thought, law and culture.
This is what the OP is about, its about foreigners who are comming to England and changing culture. Not my words obviously, just what it states in the link.
cuteredhead
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Professionals trained in education techniques, developmental psychologists, people who've actually got a scientific background in optimising the environment for a child.
Don't imagine some homely old lady with 12 children dispensing homespun wisdom - think cutting edge science! With electric shocks and tinfoil helmets!
Don't imagine some homely old lady with 12 children dispensing homespun wisdom - think cutting edge science! With electric shocks and tinfoil helmets!
I have a friend at work who's neice is the parent of one of the Croxteth Park gangbangers. She thinks it's a good job with prospects because he gets to drive flash cars and has loads of money. Society is on it's head in some parts of the country, deal with the cause of this and everything else should sort itself out in a couple of generations.