BJJ vs Karate/Taekwondo?

[HuskyNinja]

I don't understand how people can believe that karate or martial arts of that style is superior to BJJ. I have been watching these youtube vids of the Gracies destroying blackbelts in these martial arts. To all kung fu, karate, and taekwondo people, what do you plan to do if a BJJ fighter takes you down?
ISDS- You do make a good point about the knives but I didn't say BJJ vs Knives. Also, those other martial arts do know some grappling but you can't put them on the same level as wrestling or BJJ.

Fat Cobra- I have actually done both Karate and BJJ for multiple years, I'm not some retard fanboy. I'm just asking what you plan to do if you are to being taken down.

 

[Sam]

I'm a Muay Thai/BJJ fighter....the standup (karate etc) will have excellent striking skills, but soon as the fight goes to the floor, the bjj fighter will dominate

but that having said, no martial art is superior to the other, it all depends on the fighter IMO.

 

[FatCobra]

Hahahaha more propaganda. You don't know enough about Karate to make any argument about what's superior or not. Youtube videos are not gospel, they are only a small percentage of the world.

I know that we are a minority, but hopefully a loud enough one to get through the fanboys' thick skulls of the capabilities of true martial arts. Grappling, more-so than just rolling on the ground is included in the study of any martial art when it is done properly. Weapons are also studied when under a qualified and knowledgeable instructor.

EDIT -

My statement of fanboys was not directed at you personally, but at the fanboys of the world. If I were intending to be rude to you I would have used your name, which I did not.

Your very question exemplifies my statement of not knowing enough. It is not intended as derogatory, but simply as a statement.

I know that it may come off as arrogant, or some sort of one-upmanship, when I say you don't know enough. However, that too is not the goal. It is tough being a small group that has to consistently fight to retain, and take back the once respected views of traditional martial arts in a world dominated by a public who's easily swayed through propaganda.

There are so many people in the world who don't even know that they are learning an incomplete martial art, and they blindly pass it on to the next generation, etc etc. There are also those that teach crap so they can make money. This, coupled with the MMA publicity, damages the reputation of REAL martial arts, which is an already dying world.

I have studied martial arts for 20 years everyday, sometimes all day (and I am barely breaking the ice of what is), and have studied many different systems, finding more in common with them ALL than differences. It would take a book to list that out, so I will leave this as a vague statement that there is a lot more in common than people often think.

In reply to your question of what I'd do... I cannot say; because each situation is different, even down to the same attack in the same place, by the same person, twice. There are such minute variances that I would have change my response to adapt to the situation in order to survive. Anybody that gives you a scenario based answer doesn't have enough experience, and it is evident in that very answer!

 

[ISDS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jqCeuBxGWQ

I do not fight unless forced to defend myself from bodily harm or death. I carry a knife, am trained in knife fighting, and will use it in self-defense.

Outside of self-defense, I have trained in grappling concepts from the perspective of my kung-fu style and there are many strategies and applications of our techniques used in groundfighting. Not to mention I did study BJJ for 4 years while in the military. So, if a BJJ fighter takes me down it would be a bad day for them and an educational experience.

Two of the people in our kung fu classes have previous training in grappling. 1 for many years in Judo and 1 for 13 years in wrestling (catch and greco-roman). They both assist in developing strategies and training methods to apply our kung fu style in ground fighting. I'm not the only one who trains in the way. To assume an individual cannot defend against grappling just because they train in those styles you list is a potentially bad day for you.

 

[Kat]

I don't think that karate is superior to BJJ. I think that each of them have their own pros and cons and that the effectiveness of a martial art depends almost entirely on the way they are taught and their dedication to it. I personally do taekwondo and bjj so if a bjj fighter takes me down, then I would just use what I learn in bjj and try to escape from whatever the fighter is trying to put on me.

 

[Michaelrey]

A Pure Grappler will always dominate a Pure striker the only significant up against BJJ is If your a high level wrestler since it wont be as easy to be taken down especially the Olympic kind their defense is tight but the problem is that in terms on the ground Wrestlers are susceptible to being Triangle Choked. This is why the only way to beat Jiu-Jitsu is either to know Jiu-Jitsu, be a superior athlete whose well trained in submissions defense (Case study Matt Hughes vs Royce Gracie ) or be a extraordinary submission wrestling genius (Case study Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Royce Gracie).

 

[BlueFox]

Believe it or not, many styles of Karate include takedowns and grappling, not just striking despite what many others believe.