Cheating in exams

But if you worked really hard and studied and learned the material, YOU HAVE NO REASON TO CHEAT!! If you know the material, why would you risk getting kicked out of school, losing credit, etc just to move from an 85 to a 95? I've never met a person who studied hard, tried to learn the material, then cheated on the exam just to boost their grades. It just hardly ever happens.
 
Well no, in practise I wouldn't cheat because it wouldn't be worth the risk. My argument is purely from a moral point of view. (Or an amoral one.)
 
reality check - people cheat in business, no one ever gets anywhere by just working hard, if your not willing to push and bend and twist and when necessary plain break the rules, you might as well prepare yourself for a life of mediocracy. For proof - see any senior politician ever.
 
Ok you've got me there.

EDIT: you would have got the points if you had studied hard.



The equivalent statement in martial arts would be:

Why should waste time learning groundwork? I'll never need it. I'll just keep improving my striking because I'll never get taken down.



You avoided a chance to work hard and succeed, and took the easy way out. Instead of fixing the problem (not knowing enough about subject X), you covered it up (by pretending that you know enough about subject X by cheating).

In the real world, when you make a mistake, it is better to either not make the mistake in the first place, or admit you are wrong and fix the mistake, not cover it up. When you cover up your mistakes, they come back and bite you in the arse later on. Just like cheating.

So yes, you did miss an opportunity to develop skills you need in the real world.



Right. No one ever gets anywhere by just working hard. You have to be able to utilize a much larger skill set. Yes you have to be ready to push/bend/twist/break the rules. We call that "thinking outside the box," but covering up your mistakes and leaving them behind for someone else to find, or leaving them behind so that they blow up under you is not "thinking outside the box." It's laziness. And it's that cheating mindset that allows things like mazda misreporting the HP on the RX8, causing them to have to recall a massive number of the cars, causing a huge loss of profits for mazda. It's the cheating mindset that causes people in my business to purposefully overlook glaring errors in schematics or documentation, that cause problems in the feild, and cost our company huge sums of money to fly our employees out to colorado to fix emergency errors in our systems.

The mindset: "aw screw it, I don't need to work and study so that I can make an A on that exam," is the exact same mindset as "aw screw it, it's just a tiny error, I don't need to make the changes, and do the paperwork, and admit that I'm wrong to my boss, and get all that copper we ordered thrown away, no one noticed the error, we'll just let it slide."

Oh, and by the way. Those lazy ass politicians who would rather take a poop on their golden toilet then admit that they are wrong, and take the drastic steps required to fix their own and their predecessors errors are part of the reason that there are so many problems in their respective governments. They aren't very good evidence to support your claim.
 
"Skills"? Studying. Study skills. All a test is is the memorization of material given to you before hand. Thats not intelligence. I've met some straight A students that couldnt install a lightbulb. But then again I've met straight A students that are just filled with information and knowledge. Are they connected? Maybe. I think the latter would still be intelligent without school if they found a way to inform themselves.

Basically all I'm trying to say is that cheating isnt neccessarily wrong, its just survival. If i forget what size shoes the main character is wearing then maybe the guy next to me will remember. I'm not saying not to study, or not to pay attention or be a slacker.
 
Yohan: I think you are taking things way out of perspective. Cheating leads to this which leads to this which is exactly the same as killing someone with a bowie knife and eating their entrails! Be smart, not lazy. If you assume that someone who cheats is someone who is lazy, then I understand what you are saying. But thats not always the case, its not in mine.
 
I dont agree with this statement. To me that sounds slacker-ish and lazy.

As an anology I will relate this to the subject of studying the sword.

When will I ever need to know how to use a sword? Well the easy answer is, you wont. Thats true in a way. But when you learn how to use a sword, you arent just learning how to chop someones head off. You are learning body mechanics, distance, time. Maybe someone has a stick and is trying to hit you in the face. That useless sword knowledge would come in hand then eh?

Things relate to each other in a weird way. Will u ever need to know the square root of 530,0014 nope. But the WAY you learn it, andthe way you get there will help you later on. I believe very highly in problem solving. I feel that I am very analytical and am good at solving problems. I didnt get this way from saying "oh, i wont need to know this later". Again, its your choice, and only YOU know if it is a good decision or not. Just like Yohan not agreeing with me with the cheating issue. He doesnt know the circumstances and I dont expect him to completly understand what I am talking about.
 
yup, but 99% of people have cheated in some way or other and that doesnt make you a bad person. however theirs a large difference between taking a peek at sum1 elses work when you dont have the faintest idea what to do and stealing an exam paper and getting someone to do it for you. so before anybody takes the absolute morality on the subject that all cheating is wron or cheatings ok, just look at the circumstances. iv looked at other pples school exam papers but i would never steal the paper to cheat from in a gcse exam xD
 
If you go to hardees and order a bacon cheeseburger and you only get a half a bacon cheese burger, you have been cheated.

If you go to college and purchase a degree, and you only get a part of that education you have been cheated.

If you do the cheating, then you are cheating yourself.

If you do something other then: come to class, study at home and learn the material, then take the exam using nothing but your noggin and what you are allowed to take in to the test, you are cheating.

I could care less whether it's wrong or right. I'm talking about whether you get the full benefit of your education, and if you cheat, you won't get it. period
 
Thats using the word "cheat" in different forms. Now you are arguing semantics.

The topic is about "cheating on exams" Not cheating on your gf. Getting "cheated" at burger king etc.

Again, so what? Full benefit of my force-fed education. Darn, I'm missing out.
 
thats not the same thing
i am simply talking about cases where exams had such retarded questions that you just know you wont need them later in ur life(and trust me there were many).
all in all, we all cheat sometimes, thats the point, and its not the end of the world...
 
I have been through that experience... but later on when I goto university, I discovered that some of the "gabage" was the most important thing I ever need!

I guess it depends on how much you cheat, it is quite bizzare if you cheat 50% of your degree adn your employer expects you to know 100%, then you got some study to do... which what I would consider the hard way...

Thinking in terms of Martial Arts, just imagine if you cheat your way through to black belt while you only know white belt stuff, then you have to spar a black belt...
 
Cheating is usually a way for obtaining a certain grade and/or qualification, thereby hence rendering that grade/qualification a lie... ( I swear I don't usually talk like that!)...

I've honestly never cheated on any test or exam, I kind of never saw the point because all you're doing is lying to yourself. Everything I've achieved I always have and always will want to have got for myself kind of thing and know that I deserve it... If I get a U on a mock exam (and this past year I've got a few of those) I've got that because of me and I know that 5 months later when I got the results of my real exam and I've got an A I also know that that's down to me.

Also saying that, a grade is just a letter on a piece of paper and doesn't indicate your intelligence imho.
 
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