Christians, does this completely invalidate Jesus Christ as being God?

GotMilk

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1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, 'Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, l ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
Christians, how can you possibly teach us atheist about your religion, when you are so unprepared to do so?
 

gismoII

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Jesus is BOTH real God and real man. Jesus often speaks from His human nature which is subject to His Divine Nature. God the Son did not lose His Divinity by assuming human nature. And His Divine Nature does not totally absorb His human nature to the point of making it meaningless either.
 
Jesus was fully human- yet part of God......with God "from the beginning".

Yep, you can't take just one passage- you have to look at the entire Bible........

This is just one page with the reasons why I believe Jesus IS God. If you have just two minutes to peruse it, I urge you to do so.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm
 

brian

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There are some verses that say Jesus is God and others that say God the Father is God. They're all correct. Jesus is literally the Only Begotten of the Father, the creator of the world, Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament and our Savior. He always prayed to His Father and gave the glory to Him. Both Jesus and God the Father have attained the status of God.
 
Remember that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, and as such was speaking in the context of a Jewish Rabbi, not the modern Christian belief that he was "a God." He was speaking of the God of the Old Testament.
 

TheGorn

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Ohh Poppy Cock, You Obviously do not know anything concerning the Hypostatic Union

Capt. Sisko did well to explain the 1st passage I will do the 2nd

In John 20:17 Jesus is pointing out a difference between His relationship with God and the disciples’ relationship with God.
"He says not ‘Our Father’: in one sense therefore, He is mine, in another sense He is yours; by nature mine, by grace yours . . . my God, under whom I also am as a man; your God, between whom and you I am a mediator." (Augustine)

Go to My brethren and say to them: The fact that Jesus makes a woman the first witness of His resurrection is significant. The law courts of that day would not recognize the testimony of a woman, but Jesus did.

This also argues for the historic truth of this account. If someone fabricated this story, would they make the first witnesses to the resurrection women, who were commonly (if unfairly) regarded as unreliable witnesses?

In addition there are Numerous verses used to show that Jesus is God in flesh
http://carm.org/bible-verses-show-jesus-divine
 

CaptainSisko

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Not enough space to address Bot but will do the first, This Passage has to do with How all men must be saved.

For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle; I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying; a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

One God and one Mediator: Through one Mediator, and One alone: The Man Christ Jesus. There is no valid way to God that does not come through Jesus.

This statement of Paul simply echoes what Jesus said in John 14:6: Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

It is also simply logical. If Jesus was at least a good and honest man, then He told the truth when He said that He was the only way to God. If He did not tell the truth at this important point, then it is difficult to regard His as even a good or honest man, much less a prophet from God. If He was wrong then He was either a liar or a lunatic.

In the modern world most people think that any road leads to God, if followed sincerely or with a good heart. The Bible argues against this idea.

* The Pharisee and the tax collector each came to God sincerely, but one was accepted and one was not (Luke 18:9-14).
* The rich young ruler came to Jesus sincerely, but was rejected because he did not give up everything to follow Jesus (Luke 18:18-23).
* In Numbers 10:1-3, the story of Nadab and Abihu - and God’s judgment upon them - makes it clear that we cannot come to God any way we please, and that sincerity is not enough.
* Proverbs 14:12 is instructive: There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.

Many people think that God would be unfair or narrow minded to have only one way to salvation; but the thought needs to be turned over. To say that God is unfair for this, one would have to look at Jesus dying on the cross – the spotless Son of God, came from heaven and lived humbly and died in horrific agony, both physical and spiritual – to look at Jesus on the cross and say, “Thanks God; I appreciate the gesture, but that isn’t enough. You’re going to have to do a little more than that, because that is only one way and if You are fair You will make several ways.”

The Man Christ Jesus: This reminds us that Jesus is still human, even as He is enthroned in heaven right now. His humanity was not merely a temporary phase. When the Eternal Son, the Second Person of the Trinity, added humanity to His deity, He added it forever - not only for 33 years.
Jesus is still fully God and fully man, but His humanity is glorified and resurrected. It is the pattern of the humanity that we will experience in heaven.
Who gave Himself: Jesus gave Himself. You can give your time without giving yourself. You can give your money without giving yourself. You can give your opinion without giving yourself. You can even give your life without giving yourself. Jesus wants us to give ourselves, just as He gave Himself.

d. Who gave Himself a ransom: Jesus gave Himself as a hostage, as a payment for our sins. He put Himself in our place and received the punishment and wrath from God the Father that we deserved. This is the basic message of the gospel.

A ransom for all: There is enough in the work of Jesus on the cross for everyone. No one will be turned away because Jesus ran out of love or forgiveness at the cross for them.

For which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle: This was the message Paul preached. The message was of salvation only through Jesus, and Jesus crucified (as in 1 Corinthians 2:1-2).

A teacher of the Gentiles: Paul began his ministry with an equal emphasis to both Jew and Gentile (Acts 13), but because of continued rejection by Jews, Paul began to emphasize his ministry to the Gentiles.
 
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