Christians: Was Jesus real?

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According to the Bible-

If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31

I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18

[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]

Would you mind clearing that up?
I specifically asked for Christians, so if you are an atheist who would just say "Jesus isn't real", then this question is not really for you.
 
jesus never existed.
The Norse God Odin preceded Jesus the Christ. Odin hung from a tree and experienced a death of sorts to obtain knowledge. Through being "reborn," he obtained gnosis [advanced spiritual knowledge], as did the Egyptian God Set who was “crucified” on a “cross” known as a furka.1 This is also the meaning of the hanged man card in the Tarot. Buddha also sat beneath a "Bo Tree." "Bo" is of "Boa" meaning "serpent" the kundalini. The tree is an ancient depiction of the human soul, with the trunk being symbolic of the spine and the branches symbolizing the 144,000 nadis with the leaves and fruits symbolizing the fruits of meditations; the life force and powers of the mind and soul. In addition, Krishna, Marsyas, Dodonian, and Zeus also hung from trees. "144,000" is another Jewish/Christian Biblical corruption of an allegory having to do with one's chi-force or "witchpower."

The Latin cross was not a part of Christianity until the 7th century and not fully acknowledged until the 9th century. In addition, the human soul is in the shape of a cross. This reveals how spiritual knowledge has been destroyed and replaced with nonsense. The cross also represents the all-important four quarters.

The eclipse said to have occurred during the supposed "crucifixion" of the Nazarene also symbolizes the nigredo stage in spiritual alchemy, of blackness. This stage is also symbolized by the black crow and the Black Sun.

The three crucifixions, with the Nazarene being in the middle [2 others in the legend were supposedly crucified with the Nazarene] is another allegory symbolizing the main heart chakra and the three knots, also known as "granthis" in Sanskrit. These knots are at the base, heart and sixth chakras and must be opened before the kundalini can ascend. The heart chakra is located in the middle and is the connector between the upper and lower chakras.

The Nazarene's ascent into "Heaven" is another concept of the kundalini rising to the crown chakra. Heaven, Earth, and Hell are all concepts stolen from Taoism, which preceded Christianity and Judaism. Heaven is symbolic of the seventh chakra, also known as the "crown chakra." The earth or "middle kingdom" is symbolic of the heart chakra and "Hell" symbolizes the base chakra, where the hot fiery serpent kundalini lies dormant.

The "miracles" that the fictitious Nazarene performed are also an ALLEGORY and a CONCEPT of what the witchpower can do. The prophesies of the Nazarene are also ALLEGORIES of the psychic abilities that result from activating one's own witchpower.

The 12 apostles are corruptions of the 12 signs of the zodiac and also symbolize the witch's coven, along with the Nazarene, being the 13th member. Traditionally, there are 13 members to a coven. There are also 13 primary chakras within the human soul.

The Nazarene lived for a supposed 33 years. This again is another concept- the 33 vertebrae of the human spine where the kundalini serpent ascends, which is a major advancement for the witchpower.
 
Go to any bookstore and obtain the book "Piso Christ", ask to have it ordered if it is not in stock. Inexpensive, but it explains about Jesus.
 
there is no doubt that Jesus actually lived.

consider this : why did Nero blame the christians for the fire that burned rome? why did so many people die because of their faith in a saviour that did not live. ?

p.s. i know there is a God, though most things are debatable, i have no doubt.
though men will pick and choose what looks like contradictions in the bible, no contradiction is proof that Jesus did not exist. it just means that some parts of the bible, especially in the english language, have been corrupted and not perfectly preserved. an imperfect bible does not disprove the existence of God but the message contianed in the words, are enough to inspire men to do great things.

Like building a nation with the constitutional rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
 
I helps to read the material in context. In the first instance, Jesus is saying that if it was he alone that bore witness, it would not be true, but (in the following verses) another will bear witness. The paragraph break doesn't help matters, but like many passages, isolating them can lead to misinterpreting what is being said.

The second passage (John 8) helps clarify the matter, and speaks of two witnesses, himself _and_ the Father (which you left out of your citation).

There is no conflict in my mind.

When only snippets are used is like putting together statistics -- you can make them say anything.
 
In times past a very great Christian!
Today, atheist.

Jesus is either fiction, or was a douche.
 
Yes, Jesus is real. Everyone who believe in the Lord, and is not ashamed of him. Will find the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus is always here for us.
 
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