Cunning, plotting rapists and pedophiles

BuzzD

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The Australians on here are the only ones that probably know of this man Derryn Hinch, so for all of you that have never heard of him some brief information.

For years now he has made it his own personal crusade to try and change in my and most other moral peoples opinions a very bad law in this country, a law that protects pedophiles from being named so basically they can live with anyone and anywhere and no one would ever know, ideally they should be locked up for life but i don't think that will ever happen so why cant people know if pedophiles are living next door or near a school or swimming pool etc in the neighborhood or why cant a single mother know that the man that she is interested in has a history of child sex offenses.

Derryn Hinch has been locked up once before for naming rapists of children and just recently did five months of house detention and the reason that he got that sentence and not jail was that he had just undergone a liver transplant.

I don't agree with everything that Derryn has to say on every subject but on this one he has my 100% percent support the only rally that i have ever and probably will ever attend was one that he organized called name them and shame them outside Parliament house on this very subject, you could have heard a pin drop and there where thousands of people there alot of them had tears rolling down their face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fQdKBfnrz6M

Evil, Cunning Predators

Wednesday, 21 December 2011




Let me tell you about some of the worst sex offenders in this country. Evil men. Cunning, plotting rapists and paedophiles who can roam anonymously amongst you. And they can, because your courts and your government let them. They protect them.

First there’s Brian Keith Jones, the notorious Mr. Baldy, so nicknamed because he shaved his young male victims’ heads, applied makeup to them, dressed them as little girls and sexually assaulting them. He was jailed in 1981 for abducting and sexually abusing six children but was released on parole in 1989. Why he didn’t get 25 years for kidnapping, I don’t know. In the United States he would have got life.

Within weeks of being released on parole Mr. Baldy committed more sex crimes against two brothers under ten and in 1992 was sentenced to a further 14 years. In the paedophile prison in Sale, in the early 1980s, he teamed up with a man I’ll call Mr. B. I’ve named him before and paid the penalty. Next time I’ll be jailed for 12 months. I have spent hours in recent days with lawyers and by not using the name I can talk more freely about my campaign to get this bloody law scrapped.

Mr. Baldy and Mr.B fantasised about building a prison farm where they would sexually use the attractive children and keep the others as slaves.

Mr Baldy was released yet again in 2005 and the Corrections Department rented a house for him within walking distance of primary schools, playgrounds, a park and swimming pool.

What were they thinking? He’d boasted in letters from jail that he would re-offend. He was sent back to prison in 2006 for breach of parole but has since been released back into the community. I know that as long as he lives he will commit crimes against children.

I agree with the then Shadow Corrections Minister, Richard Dalla-Riva, when he said parents should cut out a current photo of Mr. Baldy published in the Herald Sun and ‘stick it on the fridge’.

There is no current photo available of his mate. He could be living next to you or next to your children’s school. Right now. In the 1980s Mr. B pleaded guilty to more than 80 sex offences arising from what the judge described as a ‘depraved and wicked’ paedophile ring. He was jailed for more than 20 years but released in 2003.

When he had the gall to appeal against the severity of his sentence the judge said: ‘In over 30 years involvement in criminal law, this case is the worst of its kind I have encountered’.

I talked to one of his victims on 3AW. That victim had written an eloquent, even searing letter about what happened to him.It must have been hard to write. My mouth went dry when I read it. It was read out at one of our rallies on the steps of Parliament House. The victim was Mr. B’s own son, The letter was aimed at the-then Attorney General Rob Hulls. It said:

‘How would he feel if he was a child being held down by three grown men as a child and raped repeatedly having that child scream even though the child was gagged? And a female biting you on the penis till you bleed and can’t go to the
toilet? And having cigarettes and cigars butted out all over your body?’

The female involved was the boy’s mother.

Then there’s the case of the other man I named. He was dubbed the ‘Armadale rapist’ and jailed for 16 years in March 1990, after pleading guilty to a series of violent sexual attacks during the 1980s. His victims were between nine years old and 42.

After his release Mr.K was arrested again and jailed for 18 months for stalking his neighbour and sending offensive letters to three teenage girls. He is what is known as a ‘groomer’. He stalks his targets. He ingratiates himself.

This is a man who later committed more sexual assaults only six months after being released from jail. He indecently assaulted a 12-year-old girl in the presence of an eight-year-old after befriending the younger girl’s mother.

Judge Caroline Douglas said that the stalker had found out where the woman lived and repeatedly turned up at her flat. She said: ‘You intended to insinuate yourself into her family and assault her children or other children’. For that sexual attack he was sentenced to another six years.

Police believe Mr.K committed as many as 200 other sex assaults for which he has never been charged and in jail he refused any counselling to aid his rehabilitation. In court, a psychiatrist said his client was resistant to reform and warned that if released he would assault girls and women again. He was released.

In his last court appearance he also pleaded guilty to a series of burglaries and thefts from Melbourne Girls’ Graofftopicr in South Yarra and Firbank in Brighton. He stole clothing and bags and diaries and developed photos from a student’s camera to try to identify the owners.

Judge Douglas said ‘Your intent was to track down the schoolgirls with the intention of committing sexual offences.’ When arrested he was wearing a pair of Firbanks’ girl bathers under his pyjamas.

These are the types of men that your courts and your Government protect. Right now. Their names, their faces, their addresses. Thank you, Mr Premier.

Wouldn’t you like to know that these men may be living near you? Near your children’s school? The local playground? Often they are put there by your government. Their rent and expenses paid by you, the taxpayer.

It’s a joke. A very sick and sinister joke. I believe we must have a public register of sex offenders. You must know who they are and where they live. And what they look like.

I’ll go back to the petition that thousands of you signed and I presented to former premier Brumby and former Attorney-General Hulls.

The petition said: ‘‘WE, the undersigned, demand the Victorian Parliament change the laws so that a judge or magistrate cannot suppress the identity of a serious sex offender unless such identification will also identify a victim.’


http://www.humanheadline.com.au/Hinch-Says/Suspended-Animation

http://www.humanheadline.com.au/Hinch-Says/Out-of-Step
 

saforintos

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I agree with you. Name the bastards.

I also think we should all be informed of any info about Karla Homolka too.

By now all of us probably know what this human waste of a sperm and egg has done with her ex husband.
 

ReyS

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What would people do with this information?

Would they move house? Move their children to a different school? Or would they form a posse to harass and assault people named under this law? Or, as has been the case with similar laws around the world, will they harass and assault people who happen to have the same name as someone convicted of a sexual offence?
 

tomthegrom95

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I agree that's an issue - but people who are convicted of other crimes are named publicly - why the special treatment of sex offenders?

The sad fact is, if these people were given appropriate sentences, naming them wouldn't be an issue because they would never get out of jail. If Brian Jones had been sentenced for six counts of kidnapping and six counts of sexual assault on children, and served even 5 years for each offence, that would be 60 years combined. Instead he served a mere 8 years and was released to re-offend.
 

beenthere

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I expected that kind of response from you, so predictable.
Who cares what people do with that information maybe they can warn their children to stay away from that child rapist anal bandit.

Did you listen to the guy on the you tube link? this is not just about sex offenders this is about serious offenders, child rapists.

Maybe you did not read this part properly i heard it straight from the mans mouth.

The victim was Mr. B’s own son, The letter was aimed at the-then Attorney General Rob Hulls. It said:

‘How would he feel if he was a child being held down by three grown men as a child and raped repeatedly having that child scream even though the child was gagged? And a female biting you on the penis till you bleed and can’t go to the
toilet? And having cigarettes and cigars butted out all over your body?’
The female involved was the boy’s mother
 

RespeckKnuckles

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You mean you expected a nuanced, well informed and considered response from me. You're too kind.

Competent parents don't need that kind of information to protect their children. Competent parents dont let their kids train MA or go to a youth group where the instructors/supervisors aren't properly vetted. In the UK all MA instructors should have a Criminal Records Bureau check completed that shows that they are kosher. Any parent that lets their kid train without seeing a CRB certificate isn't doing their job.

Serious sex offenders need to be properly supervised by the authorities but name and shame laws like this mean that those high risk offenders bolt rather than wait around for their doors to be kicked in in the middle of the night. These laws put children at risk.

Most abused children are molested by relatives or family friends. Your children are at greater risk from your family and friends than they are from the people who would inhabit these lists. Fact. How's that for a terrifying thought.
 

hiphopccde

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Most abused children are molested by relatives or family friends. Your children are at greater risk from your family and friends than they are from the people who would inhabit these lists. Fact. How's that for a terrifying thought.[/QUOTE]

I already know this but if you read and listened to what i posted you would have realized that the people in question are not all relatives, so do you advocate the protection of child rapists?

By the way you bait me i bait you, i am not as dumb as you think i am just like the time that i said that trans gender people where freaks, you were a bit slow of the mark but you came through.
 

SecretAgent:t

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I advocate the protection of everyone. I think children should be protected. I think criminals should be protected. I think innocent people with the same name as criminals should be protected.

These name and shame laws put all three of those groups at risk.



Good times.
 
Sweet mother of God, no. Why on earth would I go and so something daft like that?

I see where you're heading with this, but I have much younger siblings and other very young relatives, so I don't believe my lack of progeny is relevant. particularly as my position seeks to maximise the safety of children from sex offenders.
 
Front page of a local paper had a story this morning about a 9 month old child sexually assaulted. The baby almost died, and now has to have a colostomy bag, the child will have to go through several operations to see if they can maybe fix his colon. There are monsters in this world that need to be exterminated, then there would be no need for lists.
 

MADAM

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Having a son is the most fantastic and joyous thing that ever happened in my life, his upbringing and protection is the most important thing to me we are great mates and friends, we hardly ever argue and he is never, almost never disrespectful to me because i take the time to sit down and talk and explain things to him, no hitting.

Do i need to explain what would happen if some person did some thing disgusting to him.
 

SepS

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Revenge is different to justice.

If you choose to take revenge, you have to be prepared to face justice yourself. There are certainly some circumstances where I would be willing to make that choice. I wouldn't want the law to condone such actions, however.
 

mightyi

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Just in case some of you didn't hear this i post it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fQdKBfnrz6M
 

Azucar

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The issue with "outing" is that it drives people underground and the system loses track of them. Police know where they are and we watch them as close as we can.

Naming people is asking for problems given the risk for vigilantes, mistaken ID and any other number of legal and social problems. It doesn't work

As for punishment? Different ballgame - personally I believe paedophiles should be jailed permanently. They cannot be cured and they are just a risk at loose in society.
 

Wicksy

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Hmmm... yes to some of the above. This information is very useful when trying to figure out which apartments to move to and figuring out which school district for your kids.

I have friends who went through this exact issue. Sadly the older brother of my mate had been abused when he was a kid by someone living in the same block of apartments. So maybe it's at the forefront of peoples minds who are more directly connected to such incidents. I gotta say... when he showed me the site and the lists... I was blown away. I've always come the mindset that this type of abuse is exceedingly common - in our era the only thing that's the changed is the willingness to talk about it... and that we have the technology to begin to understand just how prevalent this type of abuse is. There were so many little red dots popping up on the map that it shocked even me.

In California you can go online and take a look at which area the person lives and what the offenses are. In some cases that my friend looked at there were 3-4 registered sex offenders living in the same apartment complex. That he has two daughters and an infant son... means he's had a clear idea of whether or not it was worth it to keep his kids in that area.

In the end he decided it wasn't worth the risk and actually moved a bit further away with less density of paedophiles. It cost him more as now he actually had to commute further to work. But for him and his wife... the peace of mind was better.

I see nothing wrong with the name and shame game. And I've not seen a convincing argument otherwise. I've heard the cases of misplace vigilante acts by mobs... but that's blinkered thinking if you now decide to put others at risk or limit there knowledge of where convicted paedos live in relation to their kids are because you have yet another group of people who are also willing to break the law.

Classic double fail right there.
 

kiddy

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The system loses track of them anyhow. It's every other day there is an incident in the news where a registered paedophile has popped up living next to children or working in close contact with children and they system had no clue... even more disturbingly the parents/families in the area had no clue.

I understand the idea that it drives them underground... but I think it's foolish to rely only on a big state apparatus for this. I tend to question the whole underground thing anyhow... if they're in the system and can go underground so easily... then obviously the system is broken.

That being said I do appreciate the hard work police do... but the fact is they can't be all places at all times. And if there is an increased awareness of an individual or in a lot of instances... many individuals that are sex offenders/paedos living in one area/apartment complex etc... then I don't see how it can be a good thing to limit this information to the general public. Certainly not for the families that have to live in those areas.



It certainly worked for my friends family. They had a whole lot more peace of mind by moving to a different area - one with less paedophiles and one without several paedophiles living in the same complex. That right there tells me it is working.

Again - if we go the route of oh this doesn't work because of vigilantes... then there is a much much bigger problem at hand than just a name and shame list.



On this I tend to agree.
 
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