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John 20:17 (Today's New International Version)
17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "
John 14:28 (Today's New International Version)
28 "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
1 John 5:5 (Today's New International Version)
5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
T-Dog & Annsan
Thanks for your input, but, there seem to be error on your part.
1. The rendering "I am" is faulty, "I shall prove to be" is more accurate.
Besides there is only ONE personal name of the Almighty given, represented by the Tetragrammaton, YHWH.
2. At John 10:33-34, it was the Jews' erroneous thinking that deduced that Christ sought equality with his God and Father. See what Jesus says at : John 14:28; Matthew 24:36; John 6:38; John 5:30.
3. At Phillipians 2, all Paul was here saying is that, although Jesus was a spirit and second only to Jehovah, He did not consider himself equal, but, humbly and submissively carried out His earthly mission being obedient to God as far as death.
4. Lastly, Jesus prayed that His followers would be one, just as He and Jehovah were one, i.e., in total agreement. [also, eventually as spirit beings as co-priests with Christ as at Re 20:6, this was specific for the elect only though]. John 17:22
17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "
John 14:28 (Today's New International Version)
28 "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
1 John 5:5 (Today's New International Version)
5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
T-Dog & Annsan
Thanks for your input, but, there seem to be error on your part.
1. The rendering "I am" is faulty, "I shall prove to be" is more accurate.
Besides there is only ONE personal name of the Almighty given, represented by the Tetragrammaton, YHWH.
2. At John 10:33-34, it was the Jews' erroneous thinking that deduced that Christ sought equality with his God and Father. See what Jesus says at : John 14:28; Matthew 24:36; John 6:38; John 5:30.
3. At Phillipians 2, all Paul was here saying is that, although Jesus was a spirit and second only to Jehovah, He did not consider himself equal, but, humbly and submissively carried out His earthly mission being obedient to God as far as death.
4. Lastly, Jesus prayed that His followers would be one, just as He and Jehovah were one, i.e., in total agreement. [also, eventually as spirit beings as co-priests with Christ as at Re 20:6, this was specific for the elect only though]. John 17:22