Evolution Bashing Thread

God forbid, Omicron. I know I still have more that I can learn, so I'm open when people can recommend a good source. Unfortunately, the majority of the sources quoted always fall back on religion or bible quotes. Some good scientific debate wouldn't hurt though.
 
I can't believe I waded through this entire thread.
There is a lot of scientific ignorance being bandied about by both sides, something that I attribute to poor education more then anything. I don't know about UK or anywhere else, but American education, especially in the sciences, is hardly more then minimal. Most anti-evolution translates into anti-science and anti-education more then anything else, but I digress.

What I did want to say is that there is an excellent book that adresses the evolution of the eye. I bring it up because there were a lot of circular arguements going on about. If you are interested in checking it out, look for In the Blink of an Eye. Forgot the aurthor, but you can find it on one of the online bookstores. He did a pretty good job, though I think he downplays the other senses too much. Might want to take a gander if you are really interested in answering the question "How did complex organs evolve?"
 
i have a question for everyone. Its kinda of topic but here goes.

Has anyone watched someone die?
Anyone seen a baby being born?

IMO watch someone die, then watch a baby being born, and tell me theres no god.
 
Yeppers, thats the one.
Like I said, I don't feel that is gives enough credit to the other senses, touch, and smell for example, but it is very good and goes in depth on the evolution of the eye. His basic premise is that light was the driving force of evolution and that the Cambrian Explosion was caused by the advent of the eye. It is the best treatment of the Burgess Shale deposits since Its a Wonderful Life.
I only took about two weeks to read it. Which isn't bad considering I tend to read about 5 books and a time due to ADD, a full time job, and having to travel an 80 mile round trip five days a week to get to my dojo.... you know, haven written that down... I have come to the conclusion that I need a vacation.
 
of course there's a god, you fools. he lives outside my uncle's apartment building. in fact, i bought god a roast beef sandwich sandwich last wednesday.
 
Wait, you mean to tell me that the guy who lives under the bridge downtown with his cardboard sign and refrigerator box isn't God? I've been giving my spare change to that guy in the hopes of getting eternal salvation for quite a while now. I hope I haven't been wasting my hard earned pennies...
 
No, you haven't wasted your pennies because the important thing you see is to find Jesus. Apparently he's been missing for years as they keep asking me if I have found him. Which leads me to the obvious conclusion.... he's not lost, he's just avoiding them.
 
Ah, I see where this thread is going now.

Good job with the last post Yoda, gave me a bit of a laugh, even if that wasn't the intent. Just the format. I appreciate it.

Hey, whether you believe in God is up to you, but don't expect me to listen if you're preaching.
 
I worked as a Paramedic in West Virginia for eight years and did wilderness rescue. I have not only watched people die, but had people die in my arms talking to them when there was not chance. I have personally delivered babies. I have saved peoples lives and recieved the Pheonix award.

Some paramedics that worked with me believed in God some did not.

I believe in God, but all this had little to do with proving or disproving the existence of God. The God depicted in the Bible is not a very good one and in reality the Bible depicts a very vindictive, jealous and arbitrary God. The Bible depicts how a primative people believed in God.
 
In what way do both work when people from every different belief including atheists see the same events and draw different conclusions?
 
LOL defensive are we? I guess what I wrote was a little to hard for you to understand. By the way how many have you seen die?



Im in RN clinicals right now. I know what you mean though. The Bible has been translated so many time by humans. Read it in aramic it is supposed to be easier to understand. For the most part I generally don't participate in debates over religious beliefs because we arent going to convert anyone here, people, for some reason, just get angry. As far as "preaching" to people, i dont believe in that. That just fuels rage expecially if they dont want to hear it. Everyone comes around eventually. Never once have i heard a dying person scream "please save me.......me.....i am my own god." I've been in nursing homes where cancer patients scream for demons to leave them alone as their taking their last breathes. Things like that can change your perspective. Just try to keep everyone openminded here.
 
What you hear from dieing people and near death experience reflects their life experience. Not many life experience equate to some one being their own God. I have been with a Moslem and an atheist when they died. I heard a different story.
 
I don't buy the faulty translation argument for a second. For one thing, how could a perfect God, who loves all of mankind, send a message to his children that would be imperfectly interpreted and translated, and have those misinterpretations cause the deaths of millions of people?
Also, if you are going to say the Bible is inaccurate because of translation errors, how are we to know just how accurate it actually is? Maybe there are entire books in it that are nothing like they once were. Maybe the whole bit about Jesus is even completely skewed. Who can say?
 
If you want to know how a perfect God could do this ask him?

If he is perfect how come there is more than 10,000 different churches millions of deathes of just people fighting within Christianity.

This being the case you may be right maybe the whole bit about Jesus is even completely skewed. I believe it is very skewed.
 
The problem with translation errors in the Bible isn't that God is imperfect (given you beleive in God). The problem is that the people who translated the Bible are imperfect. They either genuinley make mistakes or they change things to suit their own agenda. Take the King James Bible. How accurate is that?

Now back to evolution bashing.


Somebody else noted that many of the arguments in this thread are based on misunderstood, inacurate or outdated information. The above quote is a shining example.

Our solar system is not a "closed" system. There are influences beyond the bounds of our solar system that directly effect the course of our solar systems development or evolution.

I think the biggest problem with the Creation Science Vs Evolution debate is the over simplification of the arguments. Neither side really considers that our solar system, indeed the whole Milkyway galaxy is just an insignificant spec when we consider how big the universe is.

Perhaps God simply created the universe with a little of this and a little of that and then sat back and watched what happened.
 
I agree and disagree. My arguement does not discount the fact that we are part of the greater picture. Yes there are influences from beyond our solar system in time and space. As a matter of fact we are a part of a galaxy which we are orbiting and in the beginning we were a rather intimate part of the big bang.

But, I think you are taking my quote out of context of my intent. Since the time our galactic cloud formed in space and began to develop into a solar system we have been a relatively closed system. Most of the cosmologists today believe that nothing significant has entered or left our solar system since that time. All the planets, astroids, meteors, etc. in the solar system formed from our own galactic cloud and did come from the cosmos beyond.

For purposes of energy relationships and entropy we are a closed system. My references are to physical relationships only and not spiritual relationships in the cosmos.
 
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