Ganja

So you do not like people who have casual sex, smoke pot, spend all their money on too expensive clothes, party too much, gossip, and have unintelligent conversations?

How did survive high school??
 
i used to love the stuff,

there are far worse things in this world than Ganja,
 
Personally, I would go for what Yohan said. At the end of the day it’s a matter of control and moderation. If you cant control it, and it controls you, then you should stay of it. If you can control it, then use it moderately. One mans poison is another mans medicine.

Oh and…
 
that post is so judgemental and biased it could have come straight from the pages of the Daily Mail.

1. you have looked at a group of people and assumed all the things you don't like about them are due to cannabis... yet you talk about them doing 'more drugs' and criticise their intelligence and their morals... you have just typed out your angst about a group of people you know and projected all their negative traits onto the fact they smoke cannabis

2. you claim cannabis makes people violent, that is garbage, if you are in the tiny percent suffering psychosis, you may become violent, but that would only be under extreme provocation, cannabis saps your motivation, it doesn't make you aggressive, it does the exact opposite.

3.. You draw a line between cannabis and wasters..?

i've got friends who are engineers, lawyers, medical professionals, accountants, scientists all of them good at their jobs, faithfull to their partners, all of them recreational cannabis users.

wasters are wasters;

just because someone choose a spliff over a cuban cigar doesn't make them one of satan's little helpers

guess what, i know loads of people who have never smoked cannabis and they fit the description you give perfectly, so how does that one work?

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i'm not critcising you for openly condeming cannabis, i'm critcising you for doing so in an inaccurate way.

it is the lack of objectivity in your statements that are symptomatic of the drug problem in this country.

the problem being hype, sensationalisation and inaccurate negative propoganda which makes kids who do end up in the position where they are considering taking drugs for the first time see that the experience of their peers doesn't correlate with the anti-drug message put out by people who have no experience of the subject.

They need to know that they can trust the info they receive to be accurate and honest, not get fed a load of rubbish from people who just 'hate' cannabis with no understanding of the subject they are soap-boxing about.

the problem is the fact they don't have the same values as you and you think they should.

forget them, focus on your life and if they fail their A-levels, good. It means people like you, who are dedicated to your studies will have less competition for the good uni places and they will go off and do something else with their lives.

and no, i'm not pro-cannabis, i see it as a growing problem, but one that should be kept in context and needs to be approached with honesty and understanding so that people who are in danger of becoming a dependant user aren't driven closer to that reality because they perceive the anti-cannabis lobby to be full of people who just disapprove of them generally and who use arguments with no substance to generate emotional responses instead of reasoned ones.

I've seen first hand what drugs can do to people, i've seen friends become pill-junkies and get their souls burnt out after years of abuse, one of my closest friends from school went briefly psychotic after his first term at uni because he was on speed the whole time.

that was fun to watch (sic).

i also know people who don't fall foul, who use the odd substance here and there to break the monotony, with no ill-effects to themselves or their families or their careers.

my point being that while I commend you for the lifestyle choice you have made, i can't support the way you presented your case.
 
Every person is different.

Whilst i worked in the Mental health area of Social Services I found many that 'smoked'.

These were degree + people who had 'smoked' since their training days at college/Uni.

I also know people who had smoked everyday from the moment they woke to the moment they slept.

For those i knew that moderated their 'smoking' their was no problem but there are some people that just 'smoked' too much.

Some of the clients that attended the centre i worked at 'smoked' and in ten years i can only think of one person whose mental health became worse from 'smoking', in fact drinking was the biggest concern for us.

I've never known a 'smoker' become violent or abusive but i've seen hundreds of drunken fights.

Its not my place to promote or warn about drugs/drinking/casual sex its the indivduals choice but that choice should be based on clear information so they can make an informed choice.

Now the likes of hard drugs are a different story but thats another thread completely.
 
I love ya to pieces Xue, ya know I do. But there's just so much wrong with that sentence I wouldn't know where to start....
Thankfully Xen covered most of it real well.?
 
Damn straight. Come on in, the waters fine. You only live once.

However, do so with moderation. Otherwise your going to end up hurting yourself or others. Most people know when to draw the line. The problem is those that don't. I've had a childhood friend for years. We used to do stuff together all the time. When he was about 15, he started smoking weed. He dropped out of school, dropped out of college, took an apprenticeship and last I saw of him, he was doing coke. Now I don't like to judge people on the lives that they lead, but I just consider him such a waste.

Generally, if you get your kicks from those 'Taboos' like weed, beer, causal sex...that's fine. Why can't you behave a little less sensible from time to time? My* philosophy is enjoy yourself. Do something embarassing. Set something on fire. Be sick. Experience it.






*Trying hard not to break the T.O.S
 
All that Xue Fang did was point out her personal experiences of meeting people who were users of drugs and alcohol. We all make judgements based on what we see happening around us and clearly that's what she's done. I don't see why people are climbing into their own ivory towers about it.

Good on you Xue Fang.

It's the first time I've seen someone criticised for advocating a sensible healthy lifestyle - isn't that what we tell people all the time with regards to general health, fitness and self defence? Keep it healthy and sensible?
 
nah, i'm a robot...

give me my average wage, my sky TV, my 3 weeks a year to myself and a mountain of credit cards to spend on plastic junk and i'll keep smiling and saying how great modern life is

screw the ozone layer, the dying species, the fact that we'll need oxygen masks to go with our pension books once we've cut down all the trees and replaced them with industrial estates, as long as i've got repeats of American Idol running on three channels simultaneously, a bottle of jack, a case of stella, a carton of Marlboro reds and live feeds to civillians getting wiped out in airstrikes then i'm as happy as a pig in poo

who cares that life is a soul-less charade? i've got my 4 by 4 doing 20 to the gallon round town, so i'm doing my bit for progress
 
Let me guess.. you didn't get invited to that party did you? In fact you probably asked.. and got turned down.

It happens to the best of us. But not I! I was guestlisted!
 
umm... how many of you actually met "stoners" that only smoked pot? are you 100% sure it was the pot messing them up, or was it something else?

i know its expensive and kids end up spending their money unwisely... but how many kids do you know that waste their lifes in college due to alcohol. so far in the 5 years of college this is how many fups i've seend for marijuana only smokers.... 0.

how many alcohol fups?

1. when in my freshman year, 1/2 of my floor flunked out due to partying (weither its alcohol or some hard drug like coke which is horrible)... (in my dorm this is about 20 out of 40 people)

2. my sophmore year, they posted signs saying uw-milwaukee students only drink 1-4 drinks a week... however most people i knew drank this per night, if not 10-15 drinks worth of shots (since shots were easier to come across at age 19-20 then beer)... lots of people failed out here too!

3. how many people do you know that suffer from alcoholism? in my life i have known at least 20, including family, friends, friends of friends and peoples parents i don't consider friends.

compare this to grass smokers, we have 1 hippy uncle that everyone laughs about since he "smokes" and probably "fried his brain"... which is considered "horrible". yet i have an aunt thats fried out on pharmacuidicals, another aunt that was an alcoholic and now is semi-retarded (might be due to kemo ), a grandpa that died of liver cancer, another grandpa that beat my father and his family due to alcoholism, and uncle that was an alcoholic and repeated what his father, an x-girlfriends dad that mumble and was drunk and disfunctional all the time, a friend who him and his gf are drunk so much they argue and hit eachother etc... how many people do you know that hit and killed someone while drunk compared to stoned?

seriously, for all you people that say they know so many that messed up their lives, compare it to alcohol, coke, pharmy drugs, and abuse... which ones are doing the abusing, the cheating, drunk driving etc.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3375

Be responsible, do your homework before you drink, smoke or do anything. Just because its legal doesn't mean its better for you (how many do you know die from cigs and alcohol compared to mary j?)

if you are going to use it, research it. if your not going to use it research it. like alchol, grass is harmful to teenagers in puberty and can harm their development and cognititve growth. this could help to explain why high school stoners often screw up their lives (like alcoholics)... while developing rather then waiting till they are an adult. at the same time, keeping it on the black market makes it easier to get then alcohol which is retarded if you don't want kids doing it... nobody asks for an id!
 
Hahahaha! I see all sorts of resemblances with Xue Fang and Meg Griffin (Family guy)

j/k Xue, it's cool that you promote a healthy lifestyle, really great, but come on.. live a little..

Waking up hungover to a ugly broad is only another story to gossip about
 
A common "non sequiteur" argument is that ganja is OK because alcohol is worse.

As if the existence of one harmful thing justifies the existence of all the others.
 
Very true. But I think people are way to uptight about weed..

Drinking and smoking are socially accepted, but are just as damaging.

But I come from Holland, famous for it's harsh softdrugs policy... so
 
I have seen way too many people give their lives over to the stuff. Friends who never make it, bright kids who can't pick themselves off the floor metaphorically speaking. Drugs are a waste and a crutch (in my opinion) for people who can't hack the real world.

My brother's friend has two kids, one of whom was an Rh baby. The medical bills alone have almost driven them into chapter 11. He holds down only menial jobs, usually two at once while his wife makes the majority of their paycheck. The second job is not to try to pay off the medical bills that are pressing over their heads- its to pey for it pot supply. He would rather buy drugs then alleviate the financial burden weighing over his family's head.

As a teacher, I have watched very bright students give up on life. I watched them fail out, get arrested and ruin their lives. As a friend, I have watched the same thing.
As far as I am concerned, people who smoke recreational pot are stupid. They are running risks that do not need to be taken. And they are lying to themselves saying, oh its better then alcohol, or its better then smoking cigs. I have seen more lives affected negatively by pot then by alcohol- and my grandfather was an alcoholic.

Just my experiences.
 
thats not the attitude at all...

the attitude is why should someone who is doing no harm to anyone (except possibly themselves) be labeled a criminal, a waster, or worse, when the effects of the substance they choose to indulge in causes less problems for society than the legally and morally sanctioned pastime of getting plastered on alchohol in your mid-late teens, developing a strong dependance, which in a significant number of cases turns to addiction and which destroys peoples lives.

then look at a country like holland where cannabis is acceptable to buy and smoke and note that the majority of the population don't get caned and the cafe's are jam-packed with the rest of europe hopping over the border for a weekend on the green cloud.

if cannabis was such an evil substance then we would expect the dutch population to contain a significant portion of the population to be suffering cannabis induced psychosis.

the simple truth is, if cannabis is viewed in isolation, most people grow out of it by their mid-twenties because it isn't that big a deal.

the same can't be said for alcohol can it?
 
I don't think its necessarily justifying the statement that one is better than the other.. They're both equal means to separating one from reality.. One jacks up the liver.. the other deposits soot into the lungs.

The only difference is one has an actual medical use, the other not so much, unless you count pouring alcohol over an open wound to be useful..

Personally I don't understand the taboo. Prohibition clearly didn't work with alcohol back in the 20's. If anything it was a massive waste of manpower, money and effort and the only clear side effect was a massive increase of organized crime and loss of income since you can't tax something thats illegal. Same thing with pot. Its a massive waste of manpower and money when the government can be using hemp for a variety of industrial purposes. But that won't happen in the US, because hemp has the potential to push big cotton business out of the way. Anytime you tell a population they can't have something.. congrats you just created a black market where there is no regulation, no taxation.

Essentially the US Government has been screwing themselves on a potential source of income for the last 40 years.
 
The potsmoking, and alcohol abuse isn't the problem.. it's just selfmedication. I think there should be more attention to the reasons they smoke (or drink themselves) to crap.

I smoke pot now and then (not on a regular basis, more like once every two months) and get drunk now and then in the weekends, but I know I mustn't smoke or drink when I feel bad.. and I will never let drugs or booze screw up my job, sport, social live, relationships or anything else.

Some people do not have that control.. and find much comfort in daily drug abuse.



Very true, but we have the opposite here in Holland. There's dozen coffeeshops (in Holland, when you say coffeeshop, 9 out of 10 times, it ain't Starbucks, it's the place you buy marihuana) in every small town.

It is legalized, and there still is a great underground market for weed-growing and distribution. The government tries to control it, but they can't. It's really getting out of control. Prohibition won't do a damn thing, far too late now...
 
but to be fair, a great deal of that is destined for export to rest of europe.

its a recepie for disaster, you have a small enclave of europe where a substance is tolerated so that becomes a focus all activities associated with the production of a product which the rest of europe wants.

if the dutch authorities had managed it in such a way that it was more beneficial to grow under a govt license than to grow underground then they would be sitting on a small fortune as they claimed the tax on the rest of europes pot-habit.

i imagine brussels could see this as a problem and intervened in what they tolerated from the dutch in this regard.

you can't have one country in europe operating a drug-policy that is out-of-sync with the rest of the federal states and supplies them legitimately with a substance with is only legal on one side of the border.
 
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