Ganja

Pot does not even come close to inducing comparable hallucinations like LSD. Whoever told you that is a quack plain and simple. Half the duration? Please man.. LSD plateaus in an hour and lasts another 12-14.. I've never ever been stoned for 12 hours at a time man. Thats just a load of rubbish you just spouted off. Nor have I ever been stoned for 6 hours. Not even when I used to smoke at first when I was 15. If anything residual effects wore off after 2 hours tops.

Quite simply.. the burden of proof for such statements is on you. I raise the BS flag to full mast on all of that. Prove it. As far as one bong rip equaling 1 ounce of alcohol. That depends. How big is your waterpipe bcullen? Gotta be at least a 4 footer to equal that kind of statement.

You strike me as the kind of person that hasn't touched pot or any of the substances you speak with such authority about and acquires all of their knowledge from second hand sources. So please back up your statements or retract them.
 
Apparently it affects reading comprehension too:

"Marijuana is one of the lightest drugs in this class but in high doses can produce effects similar to LSD (true hallucinations), however, the duration is much shorter (roughly half the time)."

Most of the "trips" I took averaged between 8-12 hours, I've produced similar effects through using very high doses of marijuana, but the effects lasted only four to six hours.


I'm speaking from experience. I was a dealer when you were one year old, pal. I'll bet I've done more experimentation with drugs then any combination of a hundred people on this board have. I was part of the generation that pioneered half the drug trends you see today.
 
Well I'm glad you speak from experience. I'm glad you spun this into a pissing contest as to who stared at a wall the longest while tripping out. Not sure what kind of pot you used to smoke "back in the day" but I've never EVER hallucinated nor known anyone that has hallucinated off of grass. Maybe if you lace your greens with something extra I could see how that works, but straight reefer is not going to make you trip.. I don't care if you're toking Acapulco Gold, Medocino Madness, Vietnamese Black, Oliphant, or any of the almost now extinct strains from the 60s and 70's... But even then, unless your body chemistry is extremely out of whack, 4 to 6 hours? Thats absolutely bogus man.. Now if you want to talk about an extended period of smoking over several days where lack of sleep is involved.. Sleep Deprivation might make you think your hallucinating from toking, but thats a whole different ballgame. As far as pioneering half the drug trends is concerned.. Whatever helps you sleep at night pal
 
I know me and one other here who have done much the same as you. Don't ever underestimate your readers.
 
As far as the pissing contest: Hey, you're the one who wanted to try and call me out cause you didn't like what I was saying. I first experimented with drugs at the age of ten, by the time I was fourteen or fifteen I was the local connection. I was third in line in the distribution chain; grower, to my supplier, then from me to my people, and finally the general public. I also supplied Valium and amphetamines and just about anything else if I found a good deal on at the time.

In 1986 I moved to Arizona for the first time and became involved with a group of one-percenters that ran the methamphetamine trade in the area, it was actually a cooperative effort between some very notorious gangs. I ended up addicted to meth and coke, but I was known to take whatever was available. The fact that there wasn't much heroin/opiate use in the crowd I hung with was probably the only reason I didn't end up hooked on that crap too. The order of the day was meth, to get me awake, coke, to make me feel great, alcohol, marijuana and any type of downer/sedative (if available) when I finally started coming back down (meth, makes sleep impossible long after the high is gone). In my time I've done all kinds of amphetamines, including snorting and injecting them, I've smoked, injected and snorted cocaine numerous times and done the same with opium a handful of times. I've done LSD and psilocybin more times then I can count, been dusted once (was given PCP laced marijuana without being told) and marijuana was at least a two-to-three time a day activity for years. I've tried mescaline, used Valium and for a short time I even had access to Quaaludes. Of course I've also gotten into nitrous oxide (laughing gas) and amyl/butyl nitrates (rush) a few times as well and have tried mixing different drugs in all sorts of combinations.

I know what it's like to feel short of breath and have stabbing chest pains and still be reaching for the freebase pipe; imagine that, being willing to take another hit even though you know you're dying. Rather then thinking "Oh God! I've overdosed" I was trying to crawl to the nightstand and get another hit. When I recovered that was one of my epiphany moments, I realized I had come to love the drugs even more then living and I could finally see just how twisted and wrong that was. So your assumption that I have no experience with drugs has no merit whatsoever. My opinions are based in both technical book knowledge and tons of real life experience. When I'm outside my field of expertise I shut up or say," uh, I don't know", drugs and the effects of drugs, physiologically, psychologically and socially ARE one of my fields of expertise.

Actually, the aforementioned strains contained roughly .05-06 THC content in the 60's and 70's. In the late 70's and early 80's they were producing greenhouse grown marijuana in the Northern U.S. The climate is bad for outdoor growth, so indoor greenhouse's we're set up using the latest in agricultural science to produce marijuana with up to .10 to .14 THC content. The standard operation was to rent or buy a house seal it with plastic and set up halide lighting, watering systems, and pump the growing area full of carbon dioxide; I'm sure they still do it even today, it produces a much better product then outdoor growth (much more predictable results in yield and quality).

I don't mean to be offensive but the quality of the common marijuana in the Southern U.S. market (at least when I was into that scene) was sub par. We used to call it "dirt weed" or "headache weed" (as you ended up with a headache if you smoked enough to get a decent buzz). You may not have ever encountered anything with a real kick to it yet. When I moved to Arizona I found the quality of what I got in Arizona was nowhere near what I was getting in Seattle. Oddly enough, Wisconsin is also known to produce some high quality stuff, most people think of Hawaii and California as the hemp states, who'd have guessed?
 
Very true, mate. But you might want to take a look at the above information before admitting you have travelled that far down the road. It's not a part of my past that I'm real proud of, to say the least. But I also think it's important that people know that no matter how far you've fallen there's always a shot at climbing back out and that people do change.
 
This is a funny friggin discussion.
Egos on experience, legitimizing use of narcotics.
Narcotics mixed with the martial arts.

Man, abuse anything and your a loser. Simple as that. Drugs are illegal for a reason. Your a fag if you do them, it just leads to underachievement for the majority of it. I don't care if the odd successful person does it, there are 100 more for each that are waterheads.
Same goes for booze.

MA is about warriorship. Anyone in my school is caught doing it, I could care less about the time in, out they go. I feel the same way about my better 1/2. The crap just disgusts me.

Just my opinion. Don't care if you think I'm wrong I am not trying to make an arguement. But I felt I had to say my piece.

I just hope the userlosers don't have kids. I'd never expose my little ones to such pathetic traits.
 
You admitting to be a crystal meth/coke/pot dealer as well as a former basehead still doesn't factor in squat when you say pot causes hallucinations. I'm sorry but we'll have to disagree on that one... Simply because I've been to Amsterdam.. I've partook in the coffee shops there so for you to tell me whats hemp in California and Hawaii is merely shifting the goalposts in this debate. I'm glad you realized the error of your ways and decided to change your life. Its probably one of the better recovery stories I've heard.. and I've had the (dis)pleasure of hearing quite a few.

In anycase.. I'm not meaning to make this into a pissing contest as both you and I have steered this thread entirely off course into possibly violating TOS.. so if you don't mind... I'd like to not get Sin Binned again and not get this thread locked. It was actually starting to get good
 
Never had a problem with marijuana... i think alcohol and tobacco are far worse. I dont see any pot related deaths.. but you also have to remember that no long term studies have been done on what it can do to the body. I dont drink or smoke anymore but alot of my friends do. Everything is ok in moderation i guess and you have to have full control over your habits.
Yesterday i was talking to an older family member and he told me
"Enjoy it -any habit that you may have- but dont let it enjoy you"
Of course saying no to and drug is the safest way to go...
 
I admit I did not start using hash at 10, it was 13 in my case but I was abusing solvents before that, I replaced my speed use with smack use before I got straight, but like you say, I climbed out, you climbed out. I wish i had never started.
 
This is a great post! I agree completely with everything you've said. Pot is generally a clean high compared to alchohol and it doesn't give you a hangover. Personnally, I'd like to see it legalized. As with anything, some people will abuse it and use it to ruin their lives but no more so than alchohol is currently abused. Also, let's not forget the 12,000 who die from tobacco related diseases every day in America either. Yet both alchohol and tobacco are legal and will remain so because of the tax revenue they generate. Why not do the same thing with pot?
 
I guess proper graofftopicr is only for fag, waterhead, losers?



Warriorship? ROFL! Got an important troop movement? Call Warriorship. Your army anywhere, overnight, guaranteed.



Mouthpiece or codpiece? (the magic word has been uttered, it's only a matter of time)




The "pathetic", "losers", as you call them are people who have made bad choices. During recovery many have proven more to have more heart and intestinal fortitude then you'll ever understand. Getting sober is literally a fight for your life and one of the toughest fights you'll ever have. It takes all you've got and whatever your friends and family can give, too.




There are plenty of things that I would have preferred never to have happened, but, I also learned some very important things from the experience. I'm lucky to have survived and made it out for the most part, still intact.

One of the things about hallucinogens and most drugs are that they pull your carefully crafted reality away from you and make you see things in a different way (like it or not). It's one of those profound experiences that change you forever. Although I wonder if things would have gotten as they did if marijuana was legal. Being an illegal substance puts it in the realm of criminals, if you use it you have to associate with criminals and like they say, "Lie with the dogs, you wake up with fleas". Combine that with over-the-top, anti-drug propaganda: After I tried it I was fine, my head didn't explode or anything like that and I had a good time, so I'm thinking these people don't know crap, you lied to me about this, so what else have you lied about, add a little teen angst and you're off and running. Those factors are a big reason for the "gateway drug" label.




LOL! *zing* Nice one: It's about time you started returning fire.

This beard is my way of saying, I'm too lazy to shave my whole face so lets meet halfway. I'm one of those people that needs to shave twice a day and the hair is very thick and strong; it's good for removing old paint and cleaning the barbaque grill but hell on razorblades.
 
Well I guess I got told. Sorry Mr Cullen. I am educated now.
To be honest, you also know little about me. I want to know where my award is for not making such bad choices in my life, where is my hero cookie for not becoming an addict in the 1st place. As for not
The idea that becuase someone has conquered a bad choice they have more intestinal fortitude than I will ever have. Give me a break. Do you know me or have any idea what I have had to deal with in my life?

My opinion stands. If you think drugs are OK then cool and goodie for you. If you think I need an army to live my life as a warrior should, then we have differing opinions.

Go chew on some tree bark.
 
Can people stop blowing their own trumpets. It isnt cool to have been the biggest drug addict drop kick.
 
Please stay constructive and explorer your non-appropriate information on a more appropriate forum.

Many of us argue for both sides based on the benefits (medical treatments), consequences (short term memory loss and puberty interferences) and recreational purposes (relaxation, adult entertainment).

However, boasting, arguing (boasting) or being ignorant is not going to help the forum.

I suggest non-users state why they have chosen not to do it, or provide research on why it is bad. I suggest users, to maybe help to shed light on others by showing that smokers are sane people, good people and caring people just like many non-smokers. I think this thread has gone on a long time and it needs to stay open so new articles, experiments and laws can be posted to help both sides of the arguments.

This thread isn't to win either side over or to show who is cooler, its to show why and how users use it, and why non-users chose not to. Lastly it is rather ignorant to classify marijuana users with other drug users since they are extremely different. Non-marijuana drugs are more similiar to the consequences of alcohol, then they are to marijuana (such as cocaine addiction, herroine addiction, meth addiction etc). Stating ignorant statements is not going to help children make good decisions.

This is because if we give misinformation to children, who will they believe? If all the anti-drug commercials are anti-marijuana (Such as the kid that shrinks into her bed), then who are they going to believe when they find out and see smokers acting normal? Will they then think all the other information about hard drugs and alcohol is a lie too? This is ignorance.

We need to be honest, and use credible sources of information. Please share some if you are for or against it, not based of experiments of a guy you new in highschool thats probably on crack or whiskey.
 
Let’s clear something up, it’s not boasting or ego, someone challenged my knowledge and experience on the subject and I gave an answer.

I’ve already stated that the hallucinogen class of drugs holds some distinctions not seen in other drug classifications, in particular, its addictive properties. Most drugs in that class have either no addictive properties or hold the “mentally addictive” classification. The caveat here is that sometimes a mental addiction can be harder then a physical addiction to kick. You can alleviate physical symptoms with other medications but it’s much harder to quell a mental craving.

Marijuana holds one other distinction that separates it from other drugs in its class: It doesn’t create violent behavior and actually seems to quell it. This relates to the malaise I talked about earlier. There is a period during and after use where nothing seems to really matter. Good if you need to chill out, not so good if you’re in a goal oriented achievement phase of life. Like many things it’s a double edged sword, used in the proper context, helpful (glaucoma, cancer patients etc…), used to cover feelings and issues that need to be dealt with, bad.

Contrast example: Using marijuana to alleviate nausea in chemo patients; a great use of one of marijuana’s effects. Take that same beneficial effect and apply it to the fraternity boy, who has had way too much to drink and tops it off with joint. Instead of becoming nauseous and expelling the excess alcohol in his system he ends up with alcohol poisoning. Drugs produce effects, whether they are good or bad depends upon the context.

I’ve also known people that it would be a better alternative to alcohol; and not just Native American’s either. I used to have an acquaintance that exhibited intolerance to alcohol that was far worse then anything I’ve ever seen. After having two or three drinks he became blind drunk and always became belligerent and violent before passing out; he routinely ended up getting knocked out before even getting the chance to pass out (Small guy that couldn’t fight stone sober, with an intolerance for alcohol, it was pretty ugly sometimes). When he wasn’t drinking he was a real nice guy; for people like him marijuana would be a better social drug.

After years of using I came to the decision that life with all its ups and downs is pretty cool after all and I’d like to truly experience it, rather then endure it in a drug induced haze. It’s the difference between living and just simply existing.

Bujingodai: What you don’t seem to get is that your reward is not having to go through the living hell that is addiction. People turn to drugs as a means of coping with difficult situations and often find themselves in a worse position then when they started. It is an experience anyone would gladly forego. What isn’t understood by most is that addicts aren’t morally bankrupt, dregs of society or at least they don’t start out that way. Addicts come in all shapes, sizes, races, religions etc… They are doctors, lawyers, carpenters, parents, housewives… in short, they are people. Your assessment of anyone that uses as “losers” is both arrogant and naïve and the mentally retarded and homosexual references are beneath contempt and show a serious lack of character. People who have encountered serious hardships in life tend to be a little more understanding about these things. I choose not to associate with people into anything harder then marijuana because I know how they are and that they can’t be trusted until they decide to get straight. I don’t hang around people that do marijuana as I often simply do not have much in common with them, no other reason; not because I think they are horrible people or are somehow fundamentally flawed, just a lack of common ground.

Here’s something that many of you may disagree with but it needs to be said. There is no one that is immune to addiction; addictive tendencies vary from person to person but out there somewhere is something or some combination of things that holds the potential to make you an addict. If you never experiment, then you’re probably safe, otherwise it’s a case of “There but for the grace of God…” Every addict has it under control, just ask them. Getting hooked only happens to other people, right?
 
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