getting my first gun, deer hunting?

cody

Member
im wondering what should i get for a 1st gun my dad just let me start hunting he has no experience.
Any suggestions?
 

Anthony

Member
.243 win would be a great starting caliber. I started with that and took a bull elk on my second year. On my third year I switched to a .270 win just because that's a pretty good all around gun (better for elk). Also one thing to note would be that a 130 grain .270 win bullet was considered one of the best deer hunting bullets (when it came out) just because of it's speed (3215 fps, way faster than 2800+ for a 30-06) and it shoots really straight (good for distance). Also I would look at a Ruger rifle. They come equipped with all the basic things you want in a rifle like a solid scope mount, hammer forged barrel, and a really nice trigger.
 
For close range deer hunting under 125 yards get a Marlin 336 chambered in 30/30......

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/centerfire/336W.asp

If you will be taking shots longer then that then get a bolt action rifle chambered in .270 or .308.....

A Remington 700 SPS would be a decent choice......

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS.asp
 

Tahoeguy

New member
.243 or .30-30 are both good manageable calibers. The .30-30 is considered a close in rifle, used at under 100 yards. They are almost always lever action rifles. The .243 is usually a bolt action, and better for slightly longer distances. There are many cartridge and bullet options for both, it just depends on what your hunting conditions are like. If you are in a lot of heavy underbrush, the .30-30 is better. Wide open fields, the .243.

Buy a savage, remington, or marlin and you'll be good with it. Avoid the rem 770. If you go for the .30-30, Mossberg makes a nice inexpensive lever gun.

You could start out with something larger like a .270 or .30-06, but if you are new to the sport, these rounds have more recoil.
 

falconry2

New member
Most deer aren't huge,but they do have different sizes depending on area of country and available food,that and Mule Deer are different than Whitetail. Hunting terrain does matter in rifle and cartridge selection. If you are hunting in the western US or Canada, or out in the Plains, you could be looking at shots well beyond 30-30 effective range (125-150 yards). The 30-30 is considered a close in "brush gun", but I personally have never been a fan: it is a very limiting and anemic low power cartridge that was great for 1898,but the 7 x 57 Mauser created a paradigm shift (good phrase to look up). If I were to get a lever action, I would get a Browning BLR or used Savage Model 99 in a modern cartridge like 7mm-08,308,30-06 or something similar.
I don't see the advantages of a lever action over a bolt action anyway, you should always concentrate on making the first (and only) shot count. Bolt actions give you the best value for the money, provide ease of use and cleaning,accuracy and dependability. There are some rifles I can't recommend like the Remington 770/710/715, but it is hard to find a bad choice in a modern rifle.
As for cartridge/caliber, I bought my first 30-06 when I was 14 and had no issues with recoil, and I've had one ever since. My 12 year old can shoot reduced recoil ammo in it, but he is physically not quite big enough to be comfortable shooting it with full loads (5ft and 100 Lbs). He can use a 243 very effectively,but I handload for the rifles and we're using a premium bullet with very specific restrictions on bullet placement and range. 243 isn't the best caliber for the novice hunter because it lacks bullet mass;not energy-has plenty of that. The 243 uses the same "short action" case as a 7mm-08 and 308, and I suggest the 7mm-08 over 243. My son puts 3 boxes of ammo on target when we go shooting,so I have no problem with his ability,I bought the rifle as a coyote gun to begin with and he likes it-but it is a limited use rifle for deer right now.
308 is going to recoil more than a 7mm-08,just laws of physics at work there,but it isn't a bad recoil.
Long action cartridges like the 25-06,270,280 and 30-06 are all based on the 30-06 case. Any would be great for most deer hunting, and like the 7mm-08 and 308, would also serve as elk and bear rifles (the 25-06 would be a VERY marginal choice for those however).
If you live in an area where you have multiple hunting opportunities then you need to adjust to the larger animal-since I hunt deer and elk I use 30-06,deer only would be 270 as an example.
I have some links for cartridge/game matching, and comparative effectiveness of calibers,along with some representative rifles to look at.
As for buying a rifle, you can look at it multiple ways, get an "Entry Level" rifle or combo package for $500 or less(some less than $400) but the scopes are going to be economy scopes you will need to upgrade later, or you can buy a rifle with a real value over $500 and then get a scope for it-and expect it to not only give you years of enjoyment,but your children too. That is an investment decision to discuss with your folks, but I would rather spend $490 at Cabela's for a Weatherby Stainless Vanguard or $600 for a Savage "Weather Warrior" that will last decades than a $320 770 Remington that has ZERO resale value and might not last 5 years without problems. They do make "youth rifles" that can either adjust to your arm reach as you grow, or come with two stocks. Depending on your size you may or may not need that.
 
The .243 is a good caliber for deer. It has a high velocity and very good trajectory with not too much in the way of sore shoulders. I suggest Remington 700, Ruger M77, or Browning A-Bolt as very good options.
 
The .243 is a good caliber for deer. It has a high velocity and very good trajectory with not too much in the way of sore shoulders. I suggest Remington 700, Ruger M77, or Browning A-Bolt as very good options.
 

WarrenS

New member
Depends mostly on the terrain you plan to hunt. If the majority is going to be in woods/brush then go with the 336 Marlin that Metro suggested. It is comfortable to carry, fast/easy to handle with or without a scope, and fun to shoot. The .30/30 round is plenty for any deer you will come across as long as it is 150 yds or less. If you will be hunting wide open spaces, my favorites are .243 Win and .25-06 Rem. Both have low/moderate recoil, flat trajectory, and plenty of factory ammo choices. Both the Remington 700's and Ruger 77's have worked well for me in any caliber.

BUT - If this is your first rifle, I strongly suggest you get a good bolt action .22LR (you can get a Ruger 10/22 later on - great gun and super fun but that's for later) and ask an experienced shooter to tutor you in safety and marksmanship before you start popping expensive centerfire ammo and CERTAINLY before you step foot in the woods for the first time. I am from the days prior to Hunter Safety Courses (I was lucky - my dad and uncles taught me) but I am sure they are worth every penny. Good Luck and Welcome To The Club
 

Josh

Active member
It would be helpful to know what area of the country you are hunting in as to gauge the size of the deer and the length of shots common in your are.

Not knowing this, I'd suggest a .243. There is enough umph to take down a large deer with a well placed shot. It is also a great cartridge for a beginner to start out on.
 

SamZ

Member
It depends on the terrain you will be hunting in.

For close range (100 yards or less) in thick brush you will want a heavier bullet traveling at slower speeds. A good 30-30 with open sights should do fine. The Winchester model 94 and the Marlin 336 are both excellent choices.

If you will be hunting in an open environment at ranges over 100 yards then there will be a few good choices to consider. Bolt actions are the simplest rifles to use and the easiest to find. As for the calibur, I would consider a .243 to be an excellent starter rifle since it has low recoil but still hits hard out to 300+ yards. I also wouldn't pass up a new or used rifle in any of the following caliburs for the same reason except the ammo is slightly more expensive.

.257 Roberts
7mm-08
6mm remington

Also depending on how big you are you may have to buy a youth rifle. Nearly all gun manufacturers make a youth version of thier most popular rifles that are shorter and lighter then the regular version. If you happen to find a nice rifle with a wooden stock for a good price but it's too long for you buy it anyways becasue any competent gunsmith can shorten it for a reasonable price.

Top off your open country rifle with a good 3X9 scope and you should be good to go.

This last October I took my 13 year old neighbor kid hunting for the first time. He used a Mauser 98 with a short stock in .257 Roberts to take his first deer. He was a very happy camper on that deal.

Right now Savage Arms is selling a good bolt action .243 under the Stevens brand name for about $295. These are exactly the same as the Savage 110 rifles that were being made 10 years ago and they are an excellent rifle for the money.

Marlin also makes a bolt action ATR rifle in .243 that sells for $260 at WalMart, I haven't shot one myself but they look like a decent rifle.

Once you have the correct rifle for the terrain find yourself a hunting guru with lots of experience and have him take you hunting. Ask lots of questions even if you think some may be dumb questions. Above all else learn how to safely handle a loaded firearm before you head out into the woods.
 
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