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bonsai

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But why would you ever need to carry an assault rifle? We are not at war or under constant terrorist attack like Israel. If you have no reason to carry and no benefit, you wouldn't carry it. Thus the only reasons are to either use it, self defense (an automatic machine? yeah right), or want to be seen carrying it for either show off or intimidation. I don't see any of those as legitimate and good reasons.

While I am, more or less, generally for gun rights, I am all for requiring high standards for storing the guns so that they are kept safe. I don't have a problem with 7 day waiting periods, mandatory background checks, maximum of one gun purchase per month, licensing requiring a course on gun safety, legal issues, and demonstration of proper use. And I think that automatic weapons can stay banned. I think all of that is reasonable.
 
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chinagirl595

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No, I like it up here. Where you see flaws, I see truth. Also if you admit that there is no proof that gun control work, than why do you think that increased enforcement of existing laws would work. Who's going to enforce them? The majority of Americans don't trust or like the police. Its not a job that is in high demand. Where will the money to enforce these laws come from? Most Americans pay about 1/3 of their yearly salary in taxes. If you want to enforce current laws on the books, your going to have to have a major restructuring at all levels of government. Take a crack at that hard nut and see me later. We'll see how you've failed
 
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AlexisInfectious®

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Really? Point it out. You either have me confused with others, or you are lacking reading comprehension.

I am mostly for enforcing what is already on the books. Little tweaks here and there that don't affect the majority of people doesn't bother me and I would support. And as I said, if someone can prove gun control works, I will change my mind, but no one has been able to do it.
 
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HaleyH

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I really don't want to get personal with you. This is an important issue and has been since the constitution was drafted. Lets try another approach.

Little tweaks in the US do affect a large number of people. How about we go this way, lets kick this issue back to the states and let them decide on an individual basis what the populations of those states wish to do?
 
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stella39

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Where to start? If you believe that the US military would ever fire on its own citizens, than perhaps my pea shooter wouldn't be that big of a threat. But after being in Afghanistan, i can say without a doubt that carpet bombing didn't stop the fighting. A basic military truth, air power can't hold ground. Also, our military is an all volunteer force now. If you think that a bunch of volunteers are going to fire on their own people, than you have a lot to learn about the military. We are taught from basic training that these are the people who we are serving. If it ever came to that, I think you'd see Generals taking sides and that weaponry would be available to both sides. An example would be our last civil war.

George Bush didn't steal his first term. With the electoral college system, it is possible to win an election without the popular vote. This isn't the first time it's happened. This system is actually a buffer to prevent full fledged democracy from taking hold. It seems to work.

Many Americans believe that you have the right to be secure in your persons regardless of where you are and that to be constantly watched is a violation of that right.

The Iraqis should have stood up and fought. Why didn't they? Go ask an Iraqi. I work with a Kurdish man named Salem, and he would say that the Kurds were constantly fighting in one way or another.

So you would blame me for the actions of a government that I have no hand in? Lets talk about why I can deny responsibility. Lets talk about ballot access laws and the bipartisan commission on presidential debates. lets talk about how it is virtually impossible to get a third party candidate elected, not because their aren't enough votes, but because laws have been passed by the current oligarchy to make it virtually impossible to do so.

There is a whole can of worms here that you don't want to open up.
 
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fatjoze

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Yes they do.

I am all for requiring high standards for storing the guns so that they are kept safe. - I think this is reasonable and what responsible people do.

I don't have a problem with 7 day waiting periods - most already have this, so what's the problem? I think it should be uniform across the country.

mandatory background checks, - do you really have a problem with doing a background check to show that only those legally able to get guns can get guns?

maximum of one gun purchase per month - how many people really need to get more than one gun in a calendar month?

licensing requiring a course on gun safety, legal issues, and demonstration of proper use. - does having to take a saturday course on the item that you are planning to use seem excessive to you? It doesn't to me. With two kids that have gone through driving, they have to know tons more to get a car license.

I think all of that is reasonable. - None of that should impact anyone who wants to get a gun in this country who would legally be able to get one today other than potentially a slight delay and having to spend a few hours on a course. What it might do is reduce a few accidents and keep some guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them.
 
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vodka_vixen86

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The problem is that we don't protect our borders, either national or state. If you allow someone in Georgia who lives on the border the right to carry fully loaded machine guns and they step 10 feet across the border into Florida, we inherited the problem from Georgia even though we ban them. That is why it really needs to be a national issue.
 
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Alanna

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Well if you don't beleive the military will turn on you why the need for a gun to threaten the government?
A volunteer force who are paid to do a job. Paid with money? The same volunteer force responsible for torturing civilians and illegally holding them in prison camps in Cuba. The same volunteer force who videoed themselves abusing prisoners in Iraq? The same volunteer force accused of abducting people from all over the world in it's war on terror?

I can see why you place so much trust in them.

Not all generals are equal

So why all the paranoia about the government if you think the systems working?

They did. The US then failed to deliver on a promise to help. Sadam then took his revenge. It's one of the crimes he was hanged for.

You have no say in who is elected to government? I take it you don't vote then?

Then you're to blame for doing nothing. You've simply allowed successive governments be elected to eat away at your rights and have done nothing about it.
 
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saraannierose

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Thats the first time I've heard such a statement from someone from the US. Yes, you're right, we have no business meddling in your affairs nor do you have business meddlling in ours but sadly enough, our politicans have the tendency to do exactly that.* I mean, sorry to point out the foreign affairs of the US, but what business is it of them to meddle in the affairs of iraq, iran or south korea ? *(although keeping in mind that our own chancellor mrs. merkel seems to do exactly that too)



I might keept that in mind New Learner. I have noticed that maybe I should be a bit more diplomatic. The one thing you guys from the US seems to offend the most is when a european critizises you.
 
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Falalaeee

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So the guns being used in these school shootings. Where did they come from?

So how secure is that?


So you're not worried about a government with a massive arsenal of weapons at it's disposal, but your worried about a harmless little camera that is actually there to catch criminals? Alrighty then...

In answer to your question. Depends on who's operating the CCTV system. If it's in a shop I don't know. Depends on the owner probably. If it's a public system operated by the council or police then strictly speaking it's meant to be secure. But you can access some systems via the web. Not sure if that's legal or not. But it doesn't bother me. I don't do anything illegal out on the streets.
 
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commanderlcool

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We should take action when the affairs of another country affects us. When it doesn't, we shouldn't. Unfortunately, it seems that many countries around the world do so, and we are certainly not the least in it. However, there is a difference between the government meddling in affairs that do affect our national security and citizens in another country demanding that someone change the laws of another country when it doesn't affect them in the least.


I doubt that most care about being criticized. They just want it to be a fair criticism and done appropriately. And they also want the person to stand up and take the flack if they are doing a pot and kettle routine or if they have no basis for their argument.
 
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Gr33nGr3m1in

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A variety of sources. Many illegal. In a study from the CDC on cases from 92-99, only a little over a third of the guns came from the family home. Out of those, many were stolen. In the cases where the parents failed to properly secure the firearms, I have no problem whatsoever charging them for failing to do so.


Fairly secure. Stored in an electronic safe with a combination for quick access that is under the bed with a cable attached that means they will have to dismantle an entire heavy bed to get at. Could it be stolen? Yes, but I doubt anyone would bother to work that hard considering the other valuables laying out in the open. (Due to my career, we are more wired than a lot of schools with servers, laptops, cisco routers, etc. galore.)



You might have me confused with others. I don't worry about my gov't trying to abuse me and I don't care about CCTV in public. I would think that the owners that allow it to be used for any purpose other than crime detection or prevention might face a lawsuit, but I couldn't care less. I don't get in trouble so I have nothing to hide and really don't care if I am seen or not.
 
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