Yes I spent all I had on the HDTV and PS3 and I know that HTiB's offer lesser quality than putting together a home theater system piece by piece but that would also cost a lot more. I want the best quality system I can find for under $500 and I'm considering the Onkyo HT-S5100 and the Panasonic SC-PT960. I don't really need the DVD player because I have the PS3 but I think I've narrowed my search to these two systems unless someone provides a convincing case for something else. Thanks for any expert advice!