If it is OK for clergy to discuss individual Bible verses, why is it not OK for...

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lifewhispers1

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...atheists to do the same? I recently asked a question in which I cited several Biblical contradictions. And, one of the responses was that I should take the WHOLE Bible into account, and not just those few isolated verses. But, correct me, if I am wrong, but don't clergy pick and choose verses out of the Bible to discuss in their sermons? Aren't they ignoring the verses that contradict the ones they choose for their sermons? Why is it ok for them to do this, but not atheists?

And, btw, I have read the entire Bible. I do take the entire Bible into consideration. That is why I wholly reject it as being the Word of God. It is patently ridiculous nonsense written by men. And, the big reason I know this is because I HAVE read the WHOLE thing. It would have been much harder to figure that out, if I just stuck with what preachers spoon fed me on Sundays for eighteen years.
 
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JeffP

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Faith is the opposite of reason.

You are trying to have a *reasonable* debate with people who are themselves *unreasonable* because of their faith.

There's an old saying: "Never teach pigs to sing. If you are successful, it sounds terrible. And, it annoys the hell out of the pig."
 
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witnessofJesus

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faith is NOT the opposite of reason, reason and logic and faith co-exist

its not OK for clergy to dismiss any single verse. it is ok to define some verses as NOT being the actual WORDs of God.
jesus condemned the saducees and the phariess for teaching doctrines of men, Yet, he also said: do what they Say NOT what they do.
every Verse has a reason for existence,
NOT every verse applies to salvation under the Grace and Mercy of christ.

atheists are deceived, they are devils, liars, and deceivers. Some are luciferian Devil worshippers. they dont follow righteousness no matter what the truth is.
 
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JeffP

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Faith is the opposite of reason.

You are trying to have a *reasonable* debate with people who are themselves *unreasonable* because of their faith.

There's an old saying: "Never teach pigs to sing. If you are successful, it sounds terrible. And, it annoys the hell out of the pig."
 
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Melchizedek

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Reading the Holy Bible and understanding it, are two different things.
I have read loads of books but I do not understand them all, I have studied the Holy Bible and related material I understand it.
Those with ears let them hear, those with eyes let them see!
 
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no1home2day

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You can certainly discuss individual Bible verses, but when you try to pull things out and twist them to mean something else, then your committing intellectual and moral suicide! (Intellectual suicide because if you treated the rest of your life, such as your finances, the way you treated the Bible, you would go bankrupt, and you would NEVER accept this kind of intellectual destruction on other avenues of your life.) (Moral suicide because you're cutting off your own neck to try to prove an unprovable point, but you'll still have to stand before God on Judgment day.)

I've read the entire Bible - several times in fact - and I come to a totally different conclusion.

The information is all there, but the way you interpret that information is filtered through your own limited, finite, temporal mindset, and since you are already pre-biased against the Bible, you'll find fault with EVERY thing you read.

Here's what I mean, using a simple illustration:

If you put on purple-tinted contacts, the world will have a purple tint to everything you see. Nothing you see will be quite what it really looks like. If you forget you're wearing the purple-tinted contacts, you may soon start thinking that the world really is purple; but if you want to see clearly, you have to remove the purple-tinted contacts from your eyes.

You have so much evil in your own heart, that everything you see looks evil. If you want to see clearly, you have to remove the evil from your OWN heart!

Jesus said it like this; He said, "You hypocrite! Remove the beam from your eye so you can see clearly, before you try to remove a speck from the eye of some one else!"

He said that the only reason people reject God is "because their deeds are evil, and they love darkness and hate the light."

The problem is not in the Bible, but in the evil in your own heart, because you reject God because you love your sins and you hate Truth. In other words, the ONLY reason you don't believe in God is because you don't WANT to believe in God, plain and simple!

Sadly, what you got for 18 years was "cow pox" - you were inoculated so the real thing (small pox) wouldn't affect you. You never knew God, you never knew Jesus. I don't know if you were ever taught about sin, but some body did you a disservice by not teaching you the truth about sin, about God, about judgment, and about the great sacrifice Jesus made. SOME where along the line, the connection between your head (knowledge) and your heart (Truth) was severed, so you rejected everything.
 
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Shinzy

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The problem isn't that you're talking about just one or two verses at a time, it's that you're not in the group in the first place.

They just know that if they brought that up, then they'd be in a rather deep hole.
 
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