It's just a BS propaganda move that they hope will work, in all honesty they do not have the medical technology or skill to cure athlete's foot, let alone HIV/AIDS.
If they got their wish and the time came to pony up, 10 to 1 they'd find an excuse to not show their cure.
I think you underestimate them, the Iranian government has a surprising amount of money, it might not be distributed fairly by our standards but lets not kid ourselves, they are not a band of wandering nomads living in mud huts.
Nor did I say they were, they just don't have the ability to cure HIV/AIDS let alone many other diseases, few countries on this planet do, though there are actually wandering bands of nomads living in mud huts in Iran same as Iraq, Afghan, etc...
Even so, its too big a claim to ignore. It might turn out to be a load of bs, but then again it might not.
from an article
Now that sets alarm bells ringing, but at the same time it would explain why Iran discovered it and no one else has.
If its BS then all they've done is show themselves to be petty and cruel, but if it turns out to be true then Iran has just made the greatest scientific breakthrough of our time.
they say cure but... when you read the fine print:
Iran Introduces AIDS Cure
TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- After 7 long years of arduous work, Iranian scientists here on Saturday introduced a herbal medicine which cures Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS).
"The drug named 'IMOD' is completely effective and safe with no proved side effects," Iran's Minister of Health, Treatment and Medical Training Kamran Bagheri Lankarani said during a ceremony at Tehran's Imam Khomeini Hospital.
The Iranian AIDS drug strengthens immunity system of the patients against HIV and provides a more qualitative life for the affected population.
Sounds like nationalist propaganda to me. But hey, if they did discover it good for them. Though in terms of the collaborative work done by immunologists, scientists, doctors etc. medical journals would have been tracking progress of this by now.
Where is the trial of the medication? No such thing as a cure or a medicine that goes on the market without a few years trial period.
On what proof are you making these statements. Please provide supply evidence to support these statements.
Are these statement simply because you are American (Minneapolis) or do you only swallow Bush propaganda?
USA has hated Iran for years. that is very well know, that was why the USA supported Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#U.S._military_aid_to_Iraq
Pre Iran-Iraq war
To the U.S., Iran-Iraqi relations were stable, and Iraq had been chiefly an ally of the Soviet Union. The U.S. was concerned with Iraq’s belligerence toward Israel and disapproval of moves towards peace between Israel and Egypt. It also condemned Iraqi support for various Arab and Palestinian militant groups such as Abu Nidal, which led to its inclusion on the incipient U.S. list of state sponsors of international terrorism on December 29, 1979. The U.S. remained officially neutral during the outbreak of hostilities in the Iran-Iraq War, as it had previously been humiliated by a 444 day long Iranian hostage crisis and expected that Iran was not likely to win. In March 1982, however, Iran began a successful counteroffensive (Operation Undeniable Victory). In a bid to open the possibility of relations to Iraq, the country was removed from the list of state sponsors of terrorism. Ostensibly this was because of improvement in the regime’s record, although former United States Assistant Secretary of Defense Noel Koch later stated, "No one had any doubts about [the Iraqis'] continued involvement in terrorism... The real reason was to help them succeed in the war against Iran."[1] With Iran's newfound success in the war and its rebuff of a peace offer in July, arms sales to Iraq from other states (most importantly the USSR, France, Egypt, and starting that year, China) reached a record spike in 1982, but an obstacle remained to any potential U.S.-Iraqi relationship - Abu Nidal continued to operate with official support in Baghdad. When the group was expelled to Syria in November 1983, the Reagan administration sent Donald Rumsfeld as a special envoy to cultivate ties.
U.S. military aid to Iraq
Because of fears that revolutionary Iran would defeat Iraq and export its Islamic Revolution to other Middle Eastern nations, the U.S. began giving aid to Iraq. From 1983 to 1990, the U.S. government approved around $200 million in arms sales to Iraq, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).[2] These sales amounted to less than 1% of the total arms sold to Iraq in the relevant period, including helicopters which, although designated for civilian use, were immediately deployed by Iraq in its war with Iran.
An investigation by the Senate Banking Committee in 1994 determined that the U.S. Department of Commerce had approved, for the purpose of research, the shipping of dual-use biological agents to Iraq during the mid-1980s, including Bacillus anthracis (anthrax), later identified by the Pentagon as a key component of the Iraqi biological warfare program, as well as Clostridium botulinum, Histoplasma capsulatum, Brucella melitensis, and Clostridium perfringens. The Committee report noted that each of these had been "considered by various nations for use in war."[3] Declassified U.S. government documents indicate that the U.S. government had confirmed that Iraq was using chemical weapons (but not biological weapons that the agents being exported could have been used for) "almost daily" during the Iran-Iraq conflict as early as 1983.[4] The chairman of the Senate committee, Don Riegle, said: “The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think it’s a devastating record”.[5]
The level of U.S. covert aid to Iraq during this period is difficult to quantify. Hussein is widely known to have received battlefield “intelligence” from the U.S. This, corresponding with other facts, leaks and rumors, is seen by many as an indicator of substantial CIA involvement during the era. This remains unproven, however.
U.S. economic aid to Iraq
Chiefly, the U.S. government provided Iraq with economic aid. Iraq’s war with Iran, and the consequent disruption in its oil export business, had caused the country to enter a deep debt. U.S. government economic assistance allowed Hussein to continue using resources for the war which otherwise would have to have been diverted. Between 1983 and 1990, Iraq received $5 billion in export credit guarantees from the Commodity Credit Corporation program run by the Department of Agriculture, beginning at $400 million per year in 1983 and increasing to over $1 billion per year in 1988 and 1989, finally coming to an end after another $500 million was granted in 1990.[6] Besides agricultural credits, the U.S. also provided Hussein with other loans. In 1985 the U.S. Export-Import Bank extended more than $684 million in credits to Iraq to build an oil pipeline through Jordan with the construction being undertaken by Californian construction firm Bechtel Corporation.[1]
Then the USA back flipped on Iraq during the gulf war then use use depleted uranium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death
Controversy
The offensive action for which the road is infamous became a controversial point, with some commentators alleging that the use of force was disproportionate, that the Iraqi forces were retreating, and that the column included Kuwaiti prisoners and hostages and Palestinian civilian refugees. The US soldiers reportedly described the action as a "turkey shoot".
Although no reporters were present during the action, and media accounts did not appear for almost a month, photographs taken afterwards showed dramatic scenes of burned and broken vehicles. The bombings were cited by some observers as a "war crime" — the deliberate bombing of a stretch of highway where fleeing and "out of combat" Iraqi soldiers were stuck in a frenzied traffic jam.
It was suggested that at least some of the retreating troops were actually mutineering. If so, the attack would have served to stabilize the regime of Saddam Hussein.
The United States, however, stated that few Iraqi soldiers were found in the wreckage. According to a PBS Frontline interview with Rick Atkinson, when asked whether we know how many Iraqis were killed on the Highway of Death, he answered:
I don't think we'll ever know how many Iraqis were killed there. There were about 1,500 vehicles on the highway of death, counted, destroyed vehicles after the war. And another 400 or so on another road, a spur that ran parallel to the coast. Those who wandered through this wreckage right after the Iraqi surrender found relatively few bodies. Certainly some, and many that were terribly incinerated of those that were found. But the prevailing view is that many of the Iraqis had simply gotten out of their vehicles and ran. And it's difficult to believe that deaths on the highway of death probably exceeded more than a couple of hundred perhaps.
The Independent's Robert Fisk got there in the aftermath of the allied bombing. In his book "The Great War for Civilisation", Fisk describes the scene of kilometres of damaged military and civilian vehicles that were bombed as they were stuck in the traffic jam. He describes the burnt out remains of the occupants of the many vehicles. "I had seen hundreds of dead here; there must have been thousands. Shouldn't we have been referring back then, not to the Highway of Death, but to the Massacre at the Mutla Ridge?"
Geneva Conventions
The Fourth Geneva Convention concerns the protection of civilians and Prisoners of War. Critics of the US have claimed incorrectly that it forbids the attack on escaping enemy troops whose goal is to flee the hostilities and that this incident was a violation of the fourth Geneva Convention.[1]
Article 17 of the First Geneva Convention is concerned specifically with the burial of the battlefield dead. It states:
Parties to the conflict shall ensure that burial or cremation of the dead, carried out individually as far as circumstances permit, is preceded by a careful examination, if possible by a medical examination, of the bodies, with a view to confirming death, establishing identity and enabling a report to be made. One half of the double identity disc, or the identity disc itself if it is a single disc, should remain on the body...Bodies shall not be cremated except for imperative reasons of hygiene or for motives based on the religion of the deceased. In case of cremation, the circumstances and reasons for cremation shall be stated in detail in the death certificate or on the authenticated list of the dead...They shall further ensure that the dead are honourably interred, if possible according to the rites of the religion to which they belonged, that their graves are respected, grouped if possible according to the nationality of the deceased, properly maintained and marked so that they may always be found. For this purpose, they shall organize at the commencement of hostilities an Official Graves Registration Service, to allow subsequent exhumations and to ensure the identification of bodies, whatever the site of the graves, and the possible transportation to the home country.
This article's protocol was not observed on Highway 80, where Iraqi soldiers were interred in mass graves.[2] A search of the major international media in December 2006 found no references to the recovery and identification of these bodies.
Even today look at Guantلnamo Bay
Guantلnamo Bay - a human rights scandal
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-index-eng
US Military Police escort detainee. Camp Delta, Guantلnamo Bay
It is now over five years since the first detainees were transferred to the detention camp at the US Naval Base in Guantلnamo Bay, Cuba
Despite widespread international condemnation, hundreds of people of more than 30 nationalities are still there: without charge, and with little hope of obtaining a fair trial.
Enough is enough!
Guantلnamo Bay is a symbol of injustice and abuse.
It must be closed down.
Don't be so fast to be critical of a little country, just because they don't want to be America's Bitch
When it comes down to it I would not trust the governments of Iran or the USA
Man you spout some clueless drivel here.
Get clued up before you post such stupid crap.
It appears you know jack about Iran.
Come back with some facts and some credible info and then we might begin to take you seriously... but until then you're cast as the village idiot.
What does up going to Iran have to do with the points made?
And have you ever been to Iran?
Plus editing a previous post doesn't cut it either, we already have the quotes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Twain
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Posting of Links
http://www.ihav.net/forums/showthread.php?t=37257
As MAP members you all agreed to our Terms of Service and to their conditions upon registering.
As a reminder and further to TOS 1.5 Posting Links & URLs, please note that the following is NOT allowed:
Providing content that is grossly offensive to the MAP community, including blatant expressions of bigotry, prejudice, racism, hatred, or profanity.
Defaming any person or group.
Reminder: Things to think about before posting claims and/or videos
http://www.ihav.net/forums/showthread.php?t=38492
Let me set the stage for what follows with a beloved quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Twain
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Recently, we’ve had a spate of cases where people have decided to post either:
a. big claims about themselves or their schools,
b. or videos/photos of themselves or their instructors in action.
In most cases these folks became agitated when they discover that members of the community questioned their claims and critiqued their footage. Before anyone else goes down this path blindly and another war erupts, let me spell a few things out:
While we are all involved in the martial arts in some capacity or another, Martial Arts Planet (MAP) is an internet forum with members spread out across the globe. Most of us will never meet outside of this virtual space. That means that our interactions typically take place though text. For all intents and purposes, you write yourself into existence here. Therefore, the MAP community expects that the “you” on MAP more or less matches the “you” off MAP. The only way a forum like this works is if we are all honest about who we are and what we can do.
Posting Claims
Ok, so say you’re feeling your oats and decide to let us all know about what a bad mofo you are. Posting a claim, while pretty pretentious, is within the MAP Terms of Service (TOS). BUT, if you make claims IT IS UP TO YOU TO BACK THEM UP. “WHAT???!!!!” you say, “Why can’t my claims be taken at face value?” Well, text is cheap and easy. Posting that you can perform 70 sidekicks in less than a minute doesn’t make it anymore true than my posting that I’m a small furry marsupial makes me a possum.
In western cultures there is a well established notion of the burden of proof:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Outside a legal context, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
What that means is that if you write it, you better be prepared to back it up with proof. And that proof will be judged by the MAP community because this community is founded on being able to trust what every member posts. The Burden of Proof places all responsibility on the person who makes the claims. So, in response to someone questioning the kick claim, I shouldn’t respond “Prove I can’t!” It is my responsibility to prove it. Further, we have numerous members who are masters in the modern art of Google-do and are more than happy to look up current work records. The best way to make yourself look like a jackass is to have someone post proof that your claims are "inflated."
Simply put: If you don’t want to stand up to community scrutiny and play by the rules, then please don’t click the temping blue New Thread button. Sit on your mouse hand. Trust me, it’s better that way.
Videos
We all love watching videos. There is an entire sub-forum dedicated to Movies. And we always dig people sharing videos of themselves in training and competing. But please understand that if you post a video, it will undoubtedly be critiqued, whether you ask for the feedback or not.
Why? This is an internet forum, and at the end of the day all internet forums are about discussion. MAP members have critiqued videos of Bruce Lee, why should you be any different? We all are here because on some level we all feel we have something to share. Many of us are teachers. And we really enjoy helping each other out. So when we can provide constructive criticism we typically do. You need to be prepared for this!
Responding to criticism with “let’s see you do better” doesn’t cut it. This falls back to the general idea of the burden of proof. You made the choice to post the video, and you need to live with the consequences. Plus, you’ll find that most responses will provide ideas about how to do it better.
Again: If you don’t want the community scrutiny, please don’t click the New Thread button.
And please, please, please understand this: Combining claims and videos is the quickest and most efficient path to pain. Big pain. Big, big, pain. The community has a special place for this and you need to have a thick, thick skin for the volume of responses that you will get. So please: if you don’t want the community scrutiny, please don’t click the New Thread button.
Calling people and critiquing videos
(This section is for the rest of the community.) Please don’t take the above as a free pass to bash away. Questioning the claim or constructively critiquing the video is ok. Attacking the character of the person, making outright fun of them, their teacher, their relatives, their dog, etc. is bad… as in unacceptable… as in an Ad Hominem attack… as in against TOS… as in you will be sin-binned or banned so fast your family will be dizzy for generations.
So for all of you, follow your mother’s advice: If you don’t have anything good to say, please don’t click the temping blue Post Reply button.
In all cases, remember that we mods are watching. We dig good conversation and dialog, but will not tolerate violations of the TOS. Plus we’re a lot more friendly and helpful when we don’t have to act as referees.