Israel Blockades Lebanon

You protect it period? Sounds an awful lot like Hitler to me....He was protecting his society at any cost(or thought he was).



Being a member of the military does not mean you should be killed, but that you are a legitimate target in war.

Are you suggesting that the U.S has never ambushed an enemy?
 
Well our "dainty" application has resulted in nearly 100,000 innocent deaths.....

I suppose if we did as you seem to approve, and nuked Iraq we would be using all of our power.....Of course we might have to kill a couple million Iraqi's guilty of nothing, but those insurgents sure would be dead.

The truth is, we only have two options in Iraq, if you think otherwise I sure would like to hear it(as I imagine your superiors would)

1. Do as we currently are

2. Just kill everyone in the country
 
Are you kidding?

You must be, beause last time I checked Hezbollah members do not run around with a neon sign over their heads.

Not to mention they would go to Syria, after Israel left they would just come back.
 
Yes, there are alternative stories. Yes, there are those that are willing to fake news to make Israel seem evil, ala Reuters photographer. However, in this case, I think the location of the bodies and damage being inside Israel would be the issue. Likewise, the issue of the rockets landing inside Israel. Has anyone disputed those?
 
That is a big admission. Israel does have causes.



Because they are hoping to slow down their enemies by crippling them for a time. They realize that they can't completely stop them, only postpone their attacks.



Wow, that is a second big admission! You are right. There will be no security guarantees. Nothing Israel can do will guarantee them peace.
 
Again with the nuke thing... were you raised by Hippies named Moon Flower or something? No one (with the exception of you) has suggested using nuclear weapons of any kind. Besides, they are far too impersonal. I would much rather haul members of the Islamic Army of Iraq into the street, and shoot them point blank in the face where the whole neighborhood could see. Then maybe I could jump up and down, drag the bodies thru the streets, and scream "God is Great" repeatedly just like they do. Wake up! What we're currently doing in Iraq is fighting a 4th Gen opponent with 3rd Gen Warfare tactics. It doesn't work. It didn't work for Chiang Kai-shek against Mao, it didn't work for Westmorland against Ho Chi Min, and it's not going to work for the US against Al Qaida and the Iraqi Insurgency. That said, the war is winable, provided we take the gloves off and start actually shooting people.
 
Oh really? You specifically said it is the job of the government to protect its society no matter what.

That is EXACTLY what Hitler was doing, he was protecting his society.

But just for the sake of some fun, lets pretend he only gassed non-citizens.

Following your logic, that would be alright. After all, he would just be protecting his society and placing the interests of his country above everyone else.



When did I say Hezbollah had not attacked Israel?

That has nothing to do with the proportion of Israels response...

If Mexican soldiers came into the U.S and killed a U.S soldier, could the U.S then respond by dropping nerve gas and atom bombs on Mexico?



Pretty sure Israel has taken the stance that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization and needs to be destroyed, from long before current events.

Saddam had not declared hostility towards the U.S, nor did he attack us, yet we attacked him anyways....
 
No, I'm not kidding. Israel can block the border, or the Lebanese can do it, or whatever. The point is, you keep saying it's impossible, but it's only impossible because you can't concieve of a way to do it. I, on the other hand, can think of several and it's very possible. (even without your sacred nukes)
 
When did I say Israel did not?



Slow them down by occupying them?



Once again, I never said they could guarentee themselves peace....
 
You repeatedly have said that we should take the gloves off and use all of our power. While making these comments, you have said we should only consider ourselves, and not anyone living in the other country,

By that logic, all of our power would be to use nukes.

And since the only people we should care about are Americans, then we should use nukes after all they would be the best way to ensure no Americans died in the fighting.



How are you going to tell who is a member of the Army and who is not?

Or do you plan on shooting anyone who might be?



What would you suggest? Use specifics.

Our current methods have killed nearly 100,000 innocents if we took the gloves off we would kill millions.
 
The problem with your analogy is that the police negotiators are protecting our citizens in a bank in our country. Even so, they rarely give the robbers, who are our citizens, anything. The negotiations work to eliminate our casualties, but the swat team is ready to take a shot at a convenient time if necessary. Yet what is happening, is that the killers have killed our citizens and are hiding in another country where we would not be protecting our interests at all.



I understand reactionary. If you understood human nature, you would realize that the need to dominate others, pettiness, and hatred are a large part of the human race. People hate people they have never met all the time.



The biggest action that Israel is hated for is existing. The second biggest thing is for not dying when they are attacked.



Did he say he was being serious? I sure didn't see it. How were you wrong? You said he brought it up first when you did. That means you were wrong.
 
You suggest Israel blocks every border(how? we cant block our border with Mexico...) and then go door to door magically deciphering who is an enemy and who is not?

Sorry to inform you, but that would only work in Fairy Land....
 
It would be fine if the US was not a party to the Geneva Conventions oulawing those weapons...however, that notwithstanding (especially since Israel isn't using nuclear or chemical weapons either) if a Mexican soldier crossed the border and killed a US soldier, that would indeed be an act of war and a full-scale invasion of Mexico would not only be appropriate, it would be legal under the UN charter!




Wrong. Saddam tried to assassinate a sitting President of the United States, which I would call a pretty big act of war. But even if he hadn't, Saddam's military was firing on US and UK planes enforcing the no-fly zone almost daily for several years. Are you trying to tell me that a country's military shooting missles at another country's military planes is not an act of war?
 
Which is obviously where you live with your fear everyone is trying to use the bomb so it should make perfect sense to you too.

But the fact this doesn't make any sense to you shows you have no idea how military operations are planned or executed, nor the difference between military and police operations. Probably not your fault, but you really are clueless and should do some studying before you embarass yourself further.
 
The problem is that there is absolutely no proof of 3 and 4. You want 3 and 4 to be true because that would mean that Israel deliberately killed people instead of Hezbollah taking actions that put others at risk and the UN being negligent about it's own people.

We know that:

1. Hezbollah overran the UN area and was firing rockets from there.
2. That the UN observer said it was a strategic necessity for Israel to fight back against Hezbollah in the area and that it was putting the Observers at rick due to Hezbollah's illegal actions of using them as shields.
3. The battle was extremely heavy that day in the area. There is no proof that rockets had stopped being fired before the UN observers were hit.

We don't know your conjectures.



We can't guarantee it. It would be more likely to be able to guarantee more attacks on Israel. If that is so, why would we think that Israel should just weather it out and take the attacks? They won't stop. You just admitted it.
 
Ok, next time someone is taken hostage why don't we just tell the hostage taker to kill them?

After all, no negotiating!!




Oh ok, so the only innocent people that matter are your citizens? Hell, why don't use start using Death Camps in Iraq like the Nazi's did.

If the innocent die, so what, they are not our citizens.



Yes, but for a reason.

Hatred always has a cause, whether it is because you killed my family or because you stole my yo-yo.



Israels enemies believe Israel stole their land, seems reasonable to hate someone you believe stole your land.

Whether they are correct or not is irrelevant, they believe it and as a result hate Israel



Did he specifically say, "I am being serious"? No, but he certianly implied it.

I never said he brought it up first.... I specifically said it was a response to firecoins comments, and that I had brought it up originally as sarcasm only to find firecoins supported the idea.
 
1. There is no massive Jewish Lobby in the U.S. There are Jewish lobbyists and there are certainly those that write their elected officials on the behalf of Israel. But it is certainly not massive by any means.

2. There is not a massive population of Jews in the U.S. Jews make up less than 2% of the U.S.

3. This is probably the first or second biggest reason. The other being that they are our only ally that we can count on in the area. That ranges from the cold war era when most of the arab nations were tied heavily to Moscow.

4. The Arms Industry could certainly sell to others. Nice try though.

5. America has no more reason to feel guilt towards the actions of Nazi Germany than Europe. You don't see them feeling guilty. Why should we?
 
Just because it is legal doesn't make it correct. The fact that you would support a full on invasion in response to the death of a single soldier is a bit frightening.



In the past, we have done things in the past as well....Are we at war with Cuba? We tried to kill Castro....

The NFZ were illegal under international law, thus Saddam had every right to defend his country from the US and Britian.
 
Really?

So please explain how you would

A. Ensure no one crossed the borders.

B. How you could tell who is a Hezbollah fighter and who is not?
 
We don;t know yours either....There is no evidence that Hezbollah was in the area at the time of the bombings...



I never said they would not stop, I said you could not guarentee they would stop. Learn to read.

If as you believe, the attacks will never stop, then what hope does Israel have?

After all, they cannot kill all of their enemies, and their enemies will not stop...
 
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