Israel Blockades Lebanon

And thats where the problem lies. control is in the hands of a terrorist, their government has no control over them at all.
 
The 18 year occupation of Lebanon by Israel (1982-2000) resulted in 18,000 Lebanese people dying. Only because Israel pulled out 6 years ago due to unpopular public opinion, it does not mean the Lebanese people are going to forget their dead.

Also DCombatives,

You sound like a small town redneck.
 
Unless Bush stops supporting the Israeli attacks on Lebanon there will be no peace.

Everybody goes on about the syrians or the Iranians support of hizbolla, but do you really think the Israeli's would be so agressive to their neighbours if they didn't have the full backing of the USA?

Israel seems to think that because they have Bush in their pocket, they can run around bombing out of proportion to the scale of the incident.

And that woman condelisa Rice is just as bad.
to make a statement like "We ask israel to show restraint in this situation" just shows the lack of balls of the US government when it comes to dealing with Israels terrorist activities.
 
Of course we do, especially if you look at the U.N.

We were the only country NOT condemning Israel.

I see a lot of posts saying that because of Lebanon's inability to control Hezbollah then these attacks are justified.

If a parent cannot control their child who is starting fights with all the other children, do you beat up the parent?

Of course not, you help the parent gain control instead of punishing them for their lack of it.

it is not Lebanon's fault they do not have control over Hezbollah, they have only been an independent government for a very short time and as such have very little power seeing as they get little support from countries like...the U.S.


If members of the Democratic Party in the U.S kidnapped two mexican soldiers, would this mean the U.S government deserves to be bombed?

Punishing someone for something they admittedly have no control over is a absolutely illogical and ludicrous idea.
 
I wish you would tell that to my boss. He and almost every other senior manager in the world seems to have a very different opinion. The response is that you should have had control.
 
Sorry to hear that, however if your boss had been bombing you would have a good excuse.
 
You rail at me and Keikai about how horrible it is that Israel is killing civilians like the child pictured, yet there's a good chance that child has been indoctrinated with anti-semitic hatred already, will be sold to Hamas by the family, strapped with a homicide bomb vest, and sent to kill Israeli civilians in the next few years.

Does that legitimize killing children? Of course not. But you people need to wake up, take off the blinders of your western values and up-bringing, and start trying to understand the culture, mind-set, and values of Hezbollah and Hamas because they are the same values of the people who bombed the train in Mumbai, the tube in London, the train in Spain, the embassies in Africa, and the World Trade Center.
 
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Jeez, some of you people are really exaggerating. I'm from Israel and even I don't think extreme martial law is needed to return the two soldiers. I mean there is some required to show detterence (sp), but not so much.

Even still, I wonder if those of you who support negotiation know how much potential bombers and even terrorists with blood ontheir hands need to be released for the 2 captured soldiers... usually it's about 1:more than 500. Hezbollah wants around 1300+ prisoners for our 2 soldiers. Soldiers around here have a very special place in everybody's heart because of the draft (2 years left for me), and the government is pressured to take actions to return them home ASAP.

I support my country for obvious reasons, but I know that militants from both sides and even "neutral" sides are the ones responsible for goading countries into war, and you have to put this into perspective... unfortunately, since the Hez have their Katyusha rockets spread in zones that are very close to population, Israel must continue to bombard said zones to prevent them from firing at us and cause death in our region (which has happened yesterday and today) - and people sometimes forget, that the countries are obligated to defend the citizines of those countries.
 
Here we go again: Bush, Bush, Bush... it's all G.W. Bush's fault. Aids? That was Bush. Poverty? Bush again. Middle East Crisis? you guessed it: Bush. Because clearly it's G.W. Bush's fault this has been going on since the UN formed Israel in 1947. My only question is, what are you people going to do when he's no longer the President? Who's fault will it be then?

Do you think that it's an accident that after years of relative inactivity, Hezbollah, the group formed, aided and directed by the Iranian Intelligence service, suddenly does something to take the world stage? You don't think Iran was looking for something to sidetrack world attention on their nuclear program, maybe? You cannont talk about US aid to Israel without acknowledging the vast and persistant money and weapons Arab gov'ts give the Palestinians and anyone else who will fight against Israel, while at the same time maintaining the stateless poverty of the Palestinian people in order to perpetuate by proxy the Arab war against Israel's existence.
 
You are actually correct, this is not so much Bush's fault as it is the United States'.(Not entirely, but some of the blame belongs on us) However Bush could be doing more with this situation rather than sit there are say "We support Israel, go Israel"



Of course it is not an accident, it was a deliberate provocation that Israel has fallen into comepletely. This is better than Hezbollah/Iran/Syria could have hoped for.

As to U.S and Iranian aid, the question is to who started first.

If Israel was not able to ignore their neighbors, and instead had to deal with them then there would be a much more peaceful relationship between them.

Unfortunately Israel refused to negotiate with their neighbors since they did not have to, as a result those neighbors had to reach out to someone for help in gaining power.
 
I'm thinking that it's not what Hezbollah/Syria/Iran had hoped for. The Israelis are using the provocation to do some house cleaning in Lebanon. Will there be collateral damage? Most certainly. However, they cannot allow the Hezbollah rocket batteries to have the ability to hit Haifa or south of there. This has not happened before and the speculation is that they were Iranian rockets.

The IDF is mobilizing the troops. They will eventually go in and cripple Hezbollah as much as possible & then leave. There will be no long term occupation this time. The IDF is showing restraint as much as that may be hard to believe. The main interest is damaging Hezbollah. There were arrangements made to accomodate the legitimate Lebanese government already, but you rarely hear about it on the news. Syria will covertly signal an intention not to intervene or their air force will go up in flames. It's going to happen soon. Hopefully, there will be minimal innocent casualties on both sides of the border.
 
Wasn't it in the news yesterday that the US and Bush told Israel that they need to limit civilian casualties? I could have sworn that was the headline on MSN yesterday. Today, the news is that we won't ask them to stop attacks. Yet when you listen to the video report, it says that the US and Bush's stance is that Israel has a right to defend itself but needs to curtail civilian casualties.



How is Israel able to ignore it's neighbors? Being able to ignore them should lead to greater peace. Yet they can't ignore their neighbors.
 
Israels refusal and the US' susequent aid might have a lot to do with the fact that Israel's "neighbors" tried to push it into the sea the very day they became a country. If I move in next door to you and you try to kill me while I'm unpacking, I'm not likely to invite you to the house warming.
 
Speculative? Hey pal, grab your ear lobes and give a good hard tug until you hear the popping sound. After that, actually open your eyes, take a good look around, and then tell us what you see. The only specualation here is whether or not you'll pull your head out and choose to see the facts that are close enough to bite you.
 
yes limit civilian casualties, but we support your continued bombing of civilian targets. we all know that GW is simply playing lip service to the whole idea of limiting civilian casualties.

lets at least be honest with ourselves.
 
Yes, how does Israel's bombing of Beirut's suburbs limit civilian casualties?
 
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